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Which Fat Burner?

18 years old been lifting for a month straight after long break…220 lbs. comtemplating on a fat burner, a friend recommended (evodiamine?)…are fat burners right for me? what types?

Be safe. Go with HOT-ROX Extreme. It totally rocks and you can buy it here.

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Be safe. Go with HOT-ROX Extreme. It totally rocks and you can buy it here.[/quote]

thing is imma poor sonnofabitch with no credit card :frowning: do they take money orders?

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
thing is imma poor sonnofabitch[/quote]

If this is the case, I’m pretty sure your 40 bucks would be better spent on protein or food. Stick with the basics. You’ve only been back into the game for a month. You’ll most likely get back to where you were when you stopped relatively quickly depending on how long you were out for.

That aside, what are your stats? How long have you been away from working out?

im 6’0 (leaning towards 6’1 now i guess) 220 pounds (last year 288 ) this summer i lost a lot of muscle mass and fat but i still have a significant amount left. i was going to the gym for about 2 months straight and seeing progress but a trip out of the country halted me for 3 months now i been going and i got results (4 sets of 12-15) i eat a lot of meats, nuts, veggies, rice, beans ect. i pretty much been 220-225 for a few months now but i really wanna get cut up so i thought about fat burners. a friend gave me a bottle so i can try it out but i dont know what to do

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
…i pretty much been 220-225 for a few months now but i really wanna get cut up so i thought about fat burners. a friend gave me a bottle so i can try it out but i dont know what to do[/quote]
I’ve never heard of the one you mentioned in your first post.

But any fat-burner will be pretty much useless if you’re eating and training aren’t effectively coordinated.

I’d suggest you read about Dr. Berardi’s 7 habits:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493

And start on Mike Mahler’s High Octane Cardio:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460021
I’d start with 2 HOC sessions and 2 full body weight-training sessions per week.

At 6’1", 220, are you flabby and sloppy or do you have any appreciable/visible muscle mass left? Did you say that you went from 288 to 220 in about 2 months? How?!?

good fat burner is trinodessert 4-awhile

[quote]Colucci wrote:
I’ve never heard of the one you mentioned in your first post.

But any fat-burner will be pretty much useless if you’re eating and training aren’t effectively coordinated.

I’d suggest you read about Dr. Berardi’s 7 habits:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493

And start on Mike Mahler’s High Octane Cardio:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460021
I’d start with 2 HOC sessions and 2 full body weight-training sessions per week.

At 6’1", 220, are you flabby and sloppy or do you have any appreciable/visible muscle mass left? Did you say that you went from 288 to 220 in about 2 months? How?!?[/quote]

i lost about 60 lbs within the course of a year not months. my training is incredibly efficient. i love my work out and yes i have more muscle mass visble than body fat. i just wanna get all that blubber off and show some cuts.

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
i lost about 60 lbs within the course of a year not months. my training is incredibly efficient. i love my work out and yes i have more muscle mass visble than body fat. i just wanna get all that blubber off and show some cuts.
[/quote]

Okay then, I just got confused with…

No prob, though.

When you say you “love your workout”, do you mean the 4 x 12-15 thing you mentioned? What are the details?

If you’re already have a decent amount of LBM (picture, perhaps??), then dialing in your nutrition to maintain muscle will be more important than just popping a fat burner.

Oh, and jp dubya… … … bwahahahahahaha. Well played, sir.

[quote]Colucci wrote:
dialing in your nutrition to maintain muscle will be more important than just popping a fat burner.
quote]

so what youre saying is keep eating good and dont worry about a fat burner right now?

btw do you know any good ab excercises?

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
so what youre saying is keep eating good and dont worry about a fat burner right now?[/quote]
Basically, yeah. But I’m still wondering exactly how you’re eating and training right now. If for nothing more than curiousity’s sake.

::insert gratutitous, yet true, reply of “squats, deadlifts, and overhead pressing”:: For specific ab moves, I like weighted crunches, lying hip rotations (aka rainbows or lying windshield wipers), and full contact twists.

heres how my training looks

Time Spent in Gym 30-45 minutes
Monday
Chest/Biceps
3 for chest 4 sets 12-15
3 for biceps 4 sets 12-15

Tuesday (i usually did legs on this day but now i have pitching lessons on this day so its kind of a day of rest)

Wednesday
Triceps/Traps
(used to be shoulders/back but i dont like to stress the shouler too much especially after i been throwing the baseball)

Thursday
Legs
Leg Raisers/Leg Press on row/Calf Raisers/ Leg Press/ V squat (cuz i HATE regular squats)

Friday
Shoulders/Back
same stats for this

Every workout is ended by Ab work and a LONG walk home

now for nutrition…
I’m dead ass serious when i tell you i put nothing in my body but the following…

Breakfast
anything from
Raisin Bran with milk
2 eggs boiled (always)
peanut butter on wheat
oatmeal

Lunch
anything from
pasta with tomato and cheese sauce
turkey sandwhich with cheese (L,T) on weat
beef or chicken
salad
protein shake
vitamins

THEN GO TO THE GYM

come home…hungry as hell
Dinner (post workout)
Meat/chicken/fish (is a must)
rice and beans!
salad
could be pasta (depending on day?)
protein shake

so in conclusion i believe my workout is good and my meals are pretty good…i eat basically what i have and in my house we always have these things i mentioned.

insight?

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
heres how my training looks…[/quote]
Do you do 4 x 12-15 for 3 exercises for everything? That’s very, very bodybuilder-ish, and not what I’d like to see an athlete doing.

Out of necessity or out of design? Do you only have this long to train, or are you just trying to be in and out as fast as possible?

[quote]Monday
Chest/Biceps
3 for chest 4 sets 12-15
3 for biceps 4 sets 12-15[/quote]
Does biceps work include grip work? Just wondering. I’d imagine increased grip strength to be an asset to a pitcher. In addition, some forearm work (extensions in particular) would work towards maintaining a healthy elbow joint.

[quote]Wednesday
Triceps/Traps
(used to be shoulders/back but i dont like to stress the shouler too much especially after i been throwing the baseball)[/quote]
Actually, almost every strength coach around here suggests pulling exercises (like rowing) to be essential in maintaining shoulder health. Some higher rep row variations and external rotations could be great on the day after pitching practice, where you just did a few hundred reps of a single-arm pushing motion.

[quote]Legs
Leg Raisers/Leg Press on row/Calf Raisers/ Leg Press/ V squat (cuz i HATE regular squats)[/quote]
Hating an exercise is usually a very good reason to be doing it. Unless you hate it because it causes you pain. In which case, figure out the exact cause of the pain and address and correct it.

Also, some kind of deadlift somewhere along the way would be a solid way to hit the posterior chain, which is all those important power-producing muscles.

Lastly…single leg work. You’re an athlete, you need unilateral work. Step-ups, lunges, etc. Include some.

Why? Why not end every workout with push-ups or pull-ups or the leg press? All the same reasoning applies (There’s no reason to be doing it. It’s inefficient.)

3 meals a day and that’s it? No wonder you lost muscle mass. I’d try to bump up the protein even further (there’s not a lot with breakfast there) and toss in some fruit where you can.

If possible, a liquid PWO drink followed by a solid meal an hour or so later would lend itself to improved muscle recovery/repair/growth. Surge would be the best bet. But since you’re a broke bastage, fat-free chocolate milk is the best homemade option.

how many FULL meals should i be looking at here? 6?

how many FULL meals should i be looking at here? 6?

also, anything else you can throw in for breakfast thats good?

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
how many FULL meals should i be looking at here? 6?[/quote]

I’d probably go 3-4 “Full” meals, plus 1-2 smaller snack-ish things.

You do want to be eating something every 2 or 3 hours to keep your metabolism cruising along through the day.

And obviously, no matter how many meals per day, keep a handle on your total calories, proteins, fats, carbs, all that fun stuff.

[quote]The Assasin wrote:
also, anything else you can throw in for breakfast thats good?[/quote]

I’m quickly learning that food is food, man. No real reason that you couldn’t have “pasta with tomato and cheese sauce” and a protein shake, or “Meat/chicken/fish (is a must), rice and beans, and salad” for the first meal of the day (if you could find the time…maybe cook the night before). Sometimes I’ll have a few homemade hamburgers. Something about eating cooked cow first thing in the morning. Makes me feel like a lumberjack or something. :wink:

But you’ve pretty much got a handle on it. Eggs are always a standby. High fiber cereal with protein + water (or protein + milk) used instead of plain milk. Oatmeal with fruit and some eggs on the side.