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Which Diet is the Best?

should I seperate my meals into P+C and P+F, like John Berardi says?

Or maybe I should only have carbs for breakfast and post workout, like Mike Roussell says?

Or maybe I should eat carbs through out the day but ONLY when combined with fat and protein in specific ratios, like Barry Sear’s says?

Or maybe I should eat them only at night every 3rd day, and only combined with fat like Chuck Rudolph says?

Or maybe I should eat P+C in the AM and P+F in the PM like Lonnie Lowery says?

Or maybe I should only P+F 5 days a week, then have my carbs on the weekend, like on the Anabolic Diet?

Or maybe I should use a higher carb, lower fat diet, like Scott Abel and Chris Moore say?

Or maybe I should do 2 days no carb, 2 days low GI carb, 2 days high GI carb, then a cheat day like Joel Marion says?

Or maybe I should only eat “paleo” carbs, like Loren Cordain says?

Or maybe I should drink nothing but shakes, like Chris Shugart says?

Or maybe I should never drink shakes, like forum poster laroyal says?

Or maybe I should eat 10% carbs, 30% protein, and 60% fat for 3 days, then eat 60% carbs, 30% protein, and 10% fat on the 4th day, like Chad Waterbury’s Flip Diet says?

Or maybe I should do the Dogg Crapp diet, which says no carbs after 6:00PM

What about eating only “clean” foods

is milk clean? what about cottage cheese? what about whey protein (made from milk) is that clean?

is oatmeal clean?

is instant oatmeal clean?

is bacon clean?

is pasta clean? what about whole wheat pasta?

is natural peanut butter clean? what about regular peanut butter?

is soy clean? what about soy sauce?

are sweet potatoes clean? what about white potatoes?

is brown rice clean? what about white rice?

what about berries, are they clean? how about tropical fruits (bananas, mangos) are they more or less clean?

what about mayo? clean? low-fat mayo? more or less clean?

GOSH THIS IS ALL SO CONFUSING!!!

wait…maybe all these foods are fine, and all those diets work. What if as long as your calories are controlled and your getting enough essential nutrients (i.e. protein and EFA’s, vitamins and minerals) then it doesn’t matter how you eat, when you eat or what you eat, the results will be the same?

Hopefully by now it has dawned on you that the notion of a “correct” diet or “clean” foods is enirely subjective, depending on who you ask. Maybe you don’t have to be so anal about WHAT and HOW you eat, only HOW MUCH you eat.

If you disagree go ahead and try to prove me wrong.

(before you reply, remember that I said you must be eating enough protein, and getting your EFA’s, vitamins and minerals. So there goes your “3,000 cal worth of gummy bears vs. 3,00 cal worth of chicken and broccoli” argument, sorry.)

lol

well at least one person apparently gets it. thanks Zap

[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
well at least one person apparently gets it. thanks Zap[/quote]

There are so many approaches, there is no one correct way. I suspect some are better than others and I suspect it may change for individuals.

All I know is you need to get your protein and other nutrients first and that leaves very little room for junk food for most people.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE A SECRET DIET!

(Real advice:)
Depends on the individual and their goals.

ok GetSwole, since you asked for “teh seekretz”, here they are:

get your protein and miconutrients from plenty of fruits and veggies first, then fill in the rest of your calories with whatever you feel like.

Obviously someone with a higher caloric expenditure can afford to eat more “junk” and still come in at or under maintenance (see: Phelps, Michael).

However, for a small woman that only burns 1,600 cals a day, that might mean eating protein, fruits, veggies and very little else. Not because “junk food” is inherently fattening, but because she doesn’t have room for it in her diet.

Take high school and college running backs for example, these guys hardly live on chicken breast, broccoli, and sweet potatoes yet many are ripped, because they burn a ton of calories.

however, when they stop playing, but continue eating as much as before they often gain a lot of fat, because they’re in a caloric surplus now, see how that works?

by the way GetSwole, I know you probably know all this, this post is just aimed at those people who still believe you have to eat 100% clean to get ripped.

Guys in prison get huge and can’t control their macro-nutrients. What do they serve in prison? Shit-on-a-shingle?

I’m going on a Shit-On-A-Shingle diet!

[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:

by the way GetSwole, I know you probably know all this, this post is just aimed at those people who still believe you have to eat 100% clean to get ripped.[/quote]

Lol I know.

You a golden knight? If you are, I’m sorry. LOL. Just kidding.

haha

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:

by the way GetSwole, I know you probably know all this, this post is just aimed at those people who still believe you have to eat 100% clean to get ripped.

Lol I know.

You a golden knight? If you are, I’m sorry. LOL. Just kidding.[/quote]

yeah im a knight, but i dont pay much attention to football so whatevs, its probably for the better anyway

indeed

total calories definitely matter and i’ll agree they are the most important thing.

funny original post.

my mother lost a little over 60 pounds (210 to ~150) NOT using a low carb diet (who woulda thunk it?) and has kept it off for a little over 3 years.

of course food type matters as well because it’s easier to get full with protein, fruits, veggies, less sugar cravings, etc.

like swole said: depends on the person as well.

For example, i have a friend who weighs ~145 lbs and eats about 4-5k a day and if he misses a meal he will actually weigh significantly less >5lbs the next day.

according to RMR calcs his should be around 3000 and that is with his training and NEAT added in.

so it would seem there is something to individual differences.

[quote]cpcloud wrote:
total calories definitely matter and i’ll agree they are the most important thing.

funny original post.

my mother lost a little over 60 pounds (210 to ~150) NOT using a low carb diet (who woulda thunk it?) and has kept it off for a little over 3 years.

of course food type matters as well because it’s easier to get full with protein, fruits, veggies, less sugar cravings, etc.

like swole said: depends on the person as well.

For example, i have a friend who weighs ~145 lbs and eats about 4-5k a day and if he misses a meal he will actually weigh significantly less >5lbs the next day.

according to RMR calcs his should be around 3000 and that is with his training and NEAT added in.

so it would seem there is something to individual differences.[/quote]

wow, your mom must be one of those ultra rare genetic anomalies I keep hearing about that’s able to lose weight without even using supplements to correct her adrenal fatigue(!!!).

obviously most people’s genetics dictate that they must eat boiled chicken breast and broccoli 6x per day with their HCL pills or they will be doomed to a life of obesity forever.

if only all of us were as genetically gifted as your mom must be…

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
BUT THERE HAS TO BE A SECRET DIET!

(Real advice:)
Depends on the individual and their goals.[/quote]

I second this. For some people more is better diet is perfect. I personally respond really well to super high protein diets, in the 500grams a day range.

Some people need to 40p/20c/40f or else they get to fat. Some people need to go 500 above base to gain but not more because the rest is stored as fat. You need to figure out what works for you.

and 99% of the time “finding what works for you” means nothing more than figuring out your maintenance caloric intake and adjusting your calories up or down depending on whether you want to gain fat or build muscle.

Not a whole lot about dieting changes from individual to individual as far as calories / macro breakdown. What DOES make a difference with regards to the individual is if a diet fits you PSYCHOLOGICALLY.

Obviously if you are running around at work all day than eating every 2-3 hours wont be practical. They would do better with a traditional breakfast, lunch, dinner set up.

Similarly if you are someone who finds that they are miserable on low carbs wouldn’t do well on a keto diet.

On the other hand if you’re someone who tends to overeat carbs at night, then a diet that restricts carbs after a certain hour may help (assuming you can stick to it, of course)

in summary: you are not a special little snowflake. calorie restriction works for everyone regardless, the difference is in how you go about restricting them.

/yawn…

2 things - Hormone Sensitive Lipase is the only compound capable of removing lipid from the adipocyte.

Acetyl-CoA carboxylase causes the conversion of acetyl-CoA into Malonyl-CoA, which blocks fatty acids from entering the mitochondria in muscle cells.

Insulin turns off hormone sensitive lipase and turns on acetyl-coa carboxylase… i.e. drastically limited fat loss. The regulatory capacity of insulin really depends on the individual, in some people, insulin might not be very effective at turning on a lot of acetyl CoA carboxylases.

Insulin sensitivity is dependent on conditioning and genetics, meaning more or less insulin response for a given food. The suggestion that everyone responds the same to calorie restriction the same is more than a gross simplification- it’s just completely wrong.

I never said 2 people will experience the same amount of fat loss from a when given an equal caloric deficit. obviously things like nutrient partitioning (p-ratio),

The degree to which an person is more or less insulin resistant, as well as how sensitive one’s body is to caloric restriction (some people experience metabolic slowdown in the face of a caloric deficit sooner than other for example) will have an effect on the amount of weight lost.

my point is this, calorie restriction is the only thing that can cause fat loss. and that fat loss is rarely more complicated than the old standby of “move more, eat less”.

all these diets are variations of the above statement.

oh, and if this thread is keeping you awake you should really get to bed earlier, lack of sleep has negative implications on leptin levels.

Squats and Milk. Going to bed.