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Which Book: 5/3/1 2nd ed. or Beyond 5/3/1?


#1

I already own the original 5/3/1 ebook and am considering the above mentioned books. Which should I pick up? From my understanding, Beyond is basically a whole bunch of templates. If so, the 2nd edition might be better if it has more/newer info. There's only three templates I'm interested in. BBB, BBS, and the original.


#2

Definitely Beyond 5/3/1. The 2nd edition is basically the original 5/3/1 with some new templates (SST, Full Body, Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Crossfit, 5/3/1 for Beginners) added in and some simple diet advice that you may or may not need and may not want to follow the exact way in which it is outlined in the book since at least some parts of it (such as the REALLY heavy use of protein shakes) are (as far as I know) at odds with what Jim currently recommends. The new templates, too, are improved or replaced by the variations presented in the Beyond book (SST by First Set Last, Rest Pause by FSL Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Beginners by 5 Pro’s and the Full Body template by new Full Body variations which Jim considers superior).

The principles of the original are untouched by either book, however Beyond does make some small but significant changes to the way the original 5/3/1 is practically programmed, i.e. 6 weeks cycles. There’s also some new deload options. Joker sets are also a prominent new addition, though in his more recent writing Jim recommends using them only sparingly, if at all.

BBS isn’t found in any book, only on Jim’s site/forum. But you will find a plethora of new variations of BBB (5x5, 5x3, 5x1, Rule of 50, a 6 Week Challenge, a 13 Week Challenge, 27 Weeks of BBB variations outlined, Full Body, Full Boring) in Beyond 5/3/1, so since that’s what you care about, get this one.


#3

“Beyond” might be the most comprehensive training manual I have ever read. As I recall it came out after the 2ed - I think. Regardless- been doing 5-3-1 since 2007-8 - Beyond is the real deal on so many levels - I am still finding shit in there.


#4

If I were you I’d get as much out of the original template as I can before looking at the many other options. Go hard on the last set, get your assistance and conditioning in, and call it a day. Then when you stall you’ll have a lot of ways to get out of it.


#5

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
If I were you I’d get as much out of the original template as I can before looking at the many other options. Go hard on the last set, get your assistance and conditioning in, and call it a day. Then when you stall you’ll have a lot of ways to get out of it.[/quote]
This is GREAT advice. Too many people changing too many things - I’ve yet to meet a person who doesn’t need to challenge himself mentally AND run hills. Too many Volume Queens who are too scared to hold their hand over the flame.


#6

You give people options and they are too anxious to try them before exhausting the simplest approach.

Same thing with linear progression. Many could get quite far with this, but start seeking something else quick before they stall.

It may be the fear of hard work, but often there is also a hint of curiosity.


#7

[quote]ario wrote:
Definitely Beyond 5/3/1. The 2nd edition is basically the original 5/3/1 with some new templates (SST, Full Body, Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Crossfit, 5/3/1 for Beginners) added in and some simple diet advice that you may or may not need and may not want to follow the exact way in which it is outlined in the book since at least some parts of it (such as the REALLY heavy use of protein shakes) are (as far as I know) at odds with what Jim currently recommends. The new templates, too, are improved or replaced by the variations presented in the Beyond book (SST by First Set Last, Rest Pause by FSL Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Beginners by 5 Pro’s and the Full Body template by new Full Body variations which Jim considers superior).

The principles of the original are untouched by either book, however Beyond does make some small but significant changes to the way the original 5/3/1 is practically programmed, i.e. 6 weeks cycles. There’s also some new deload options. Joker sets are also a prominent new addition, though in his more recent writing Jim recommends using them only sparingly, if at all.

BBS isn’t found in any book, only on Jim’s site/forum. But you will find a plethora of new variations of BBB (5x5, 5x3, 5x1, Rule of 50, a 6 Week Challenge, a 13 Week Challenge, 27 Weeks of BBB variations outlined, Full Body, Full Boring) in Beyond 5/3/1, so since that’s what you care about, get this one.[/quote]

I know this isn’t the point of the thread, but Jim isn’t “at odds” with the diet advice he recommended in that book- he still recommends it to some to this day. The protein shakes dont sit well with his stomach, so it’s not something he personally cares to do anymore. That said, he definitely believes in whole food over shakes hands down- the shakes are just “extra” or a means of meeting the goal if you otherwise can’t.


#8

[quote]dez6485 wrote:

[quote]ario wrote:
Definitely Beyond 5/3/1. The 2nd edition is basically the original 5/3/1 with some new templates (SST, Full Body, Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Crossfit, 5/3/1 for Beginners) added in and some simple diet advice that you may or may not need and may not want to follow the exact way in which it is outlined in the book since at least some parts of it (such as the REALLY heavy use of protein shakes) are (as far as I know) at odds with what Jim currently recommends. The new templates, too, are improved or replaced by the variations presented in the Beyond book (SST by First Set Last, Rest Pause by FSL Rest Pause, 5/3/1 for Beginners by 5 Pro’s and the Full Body template by new Full Body variations which Jim considers superior).

The principles of the original are untouched by either book, however Beyond does make some small but significant changes to the way the original 5/3/1 is practically programmed, i.e. 6 weeks cycles. There’s also some new deload options. Joker sets are also a prominent new addition, though in his more recent writing Jim recommends using them only sparingly, if at all.

BBS isn’t found in any book, only on Jim’s site/forum. But you will find a plethora of new variations of BBB (5x5, 5x3, 5x1, Rule of 50, a 6 Week Challenge, a 13 Week Challenge, 27 Weeks of BBB variations outlined, Full Body, Full Boring) in Beyond 5/3/1, so since that’s what you care about, get this one.[/quote]

I know this isn’t the point of the thread, but Jim isn’t “at odds” with the diet advice he recommended in that book- he still recommends it to some to this day. The protein shakes dont sit well with his stomach, so it’s not something he personally cares to do anymore. That said, he definitely believes in whole food over shakes hands down- the shakes are just “extra” or a means of meeting the goal if you otherwise can’t.[/quote]

Thank you Matt. He is exactly correct.