There is very little as inherently bad, evil, extreme as identify politics. And the Democratic parties campaign style of all who oppose our ideas are evil and most be fought at all costs on every issue. That plus the 365 days a year campaign they have run for decades
Sorry dude the DNC is about as extreme as any major US party ever has been
I bet 90% of people surveyed would say the same thing about themselves, even those who are vehemently left or right. However, I know you are sincere having been around here long enough to understand your general political views.
That is dishonest. You can’t draw that conclusion from a “centrist” mindset. Well I mean, I doubt @Mufasa would.
The conservative variation of the lefts identity politics. Is it a reaction to the lefts? Or is it something new?
I see it as the lefts identity politics winning the argument. Now we are seeing the results. When we are divided, no longer a single people, you need to pick a side. And its best not to pick the one that hates you
No…and hell no.
Ethno-nationalism is certainly nothing new…and in terms of the U.S…it was always simmering (mostly) just beneath the surface.
And (paraphrasing David Duke)…along came a President who listened to “us” and gave “us” a voice…
And NO…all Trump supporters are NOT David Duke types…but the tone and direction of the GOP has certainly taken a turn in that direction…
Also; BOTH Identity Politics and Ethno-nationalism are horrible trends… as well as the idea that somehow one is “better” than the other.
Yep.
Looking in the mirror and doing an honest Self-Assessment is something that people rarely do.
They would much rather place the blame on others.
It’s easier to do that.
Ethno-nationalism is very old and has very few followers. Saying that they are unpopular is an understatement. Where can you find them openly accepted? All while Identity Politics which is simply the same thing with different groups, is very popular, mainstream thought in our universities and the Democratic Party. It is a main stream progressive thinking.
And no the few outright racists on the right are not a significant part of Trumps base. The same cannot be said of the democratic party. Racists are very accepted, so long as they are liberal and not white
I don’t even know where to begin, verne…
So we’ll just agree to disagree…
Nonsense. It is now the core of the GOP’s platform.
Where is there room to disagree? Do you see the 5 to 8 thousand members of the KKK as a significant part of the Trump base? All while identity politics is taught in most universities. Honestly we all can have opinions but what I stated was not an opinion, its fact.
Where are you drawing that agree to disagree?
Really name the platform position that is a racist one?
You have nothing but feelings to back up your statement
Ethno-nationalism doesn’t adopt overtly racist policies, especially in multi-ethnic democracies, as they are political realists. Instead, they brew up a batch of protectionism, an unholy marriage of business and government, anti-immigrant grievance policies, and support for autocratic governance (the strongman to roll over squishes in the legislature). That’s the GOP today.
Heh. Sure thing.
Technically, it is opinion.
They also use code words. Illegals means Hispanics for example. It’s the party that took the term liberal, which historically has nothing to do with many of the things they call liberal, and used it to mean commie/pinko/socialist/etc. That was during the Reagan years and is an example of identity politics. Let’s not forget Willie Horton.
Protectionism is nationalist, but where’s the ETHNO part? If you’re fighting trade wars with the whole world to “get a better deal”, I’m not sure how that’s racist. Unwise economic policy sure, but not racist.
There are legitimate reasons to oppose open borders. See Germany/Italy/Greece/Sweden/France etc… securing the border has been a political meme in the US since the 80’s. But the corporate Republicans and bleeding heart Dems never really wanted the border enforced despite generic “enforcement” polling really well across political affiliation since forever.
The unholy marriage of business and government and executives with too much power all precede trump by at least 75 years. The establishment of both parties not only favor both, but engage wholeheartedly in both.
I’m not seeing much new hear with trump other than he’s mean and an idiot. Guess that makes him an ethno nationalist.
In other words you have no answer. Try to name something specific and speaking code is imaginary.
My family refers to black people in public as Canadians
Edit: my family excluding my wife and children and both of my sisters
Oh they don’t say anything racist, but using your imagination to can say that one words means something totally different that what it really means
That makes my next point. The only ones able to hear a dog whistle are dogs. To know the code you need take part in making it. The racism in all likelihood is yours
Totally agreed. To be fair it’s only my dad’s side that calls black people canadians. My WV side of the family is more concerned with Hispanics, but they don’t use code words for that.
Protectionism isn’t ethnonationalism per se, and I didn’t suggest so. As I said in the post, it’s an interrelated brew that mixes protectionism with grievance politics.
Ok - who said otherwise? I personally oppose open borders, and am not an Ethnonationalist.
Nope, try reading what I wrote. Look at the Ethno nationalist parties of Europe and compare them to the GOP since it got Trumpified. It’s not a libertarian party, it’s not a traditionally conservative party - it’s a party whose animating spirit is grievance: grievances against foreigners who screw up our country, grievances against liberals who are responsible for all sorts of bad things happening in their lives, grievances against everything. It’s mad, and it is in the middle of a tantrum.
If you can’t notice the difference in this party and the party of Reagan, Goldwater, and Jack Kemp, well, you’ve got some observing to do.