[quote]SevenDragons wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Can you post a picture (of anyone) of a beginner with very little muscle mass at 5’9" weighing more than 200lbs (more because you are still expecting them to gain weight.)
I just want to have a visual of what you are thinking about.[/quote]
At no point did I suggest that a weak man at 200 lbs is A-OK.
What I am saying is that an average height man at 200 lbs, being weak and trying to get STRONGER should NOT be on a calorie deficit while trying to do that.
THAT is why he stalls at 205 DL.
What is so difficult to understand about the concept that stressing the body with heavy weights demands more energy in repair? And that this is directly opposed to a fat-loss purpose of ‘deficit’ eating?
More advanced lifters, with some actual muscle and experience under their belt, can accomplish such things.
Weak beginners need to pick one or the other. And I personally do not care which he chooses. But this topic, and the zillions of others like them, seem to end up making it look like programs such as SL or SS are failing when it’s the person’s misplaced priorities that are at fault. I’m not here to change the OP’s choice, that’s his prerogative. But I like to present a viewpoint that eating surplus is necessary to growing stronger than you currently are. I can’t believe this even needs to be stated.
When an average height guy is actually strong, 200 lbs isn’t all that big of a deal. And they won’t look sloppy, they’ll look like a man.[/quote]
I am not disagreeing with you. I get your point. The 200lbs just threw me off.
So if I told him to stop doing stronglifts, go diet to whatever bodyweight where he feels confident enough to really start eating big.
Then start gaining weight while running a 5x5 program to get as strong as possible in fastest amount of time, we would be in agreement?