[quote]undeadlift wrote:
A great exercise for the traps are power shrugs. It’s like shrugging with body english, a push press or cheat curl of sorts.[/quote]
what is shrugging with ‘body english’?
[quote]Damner wrote:
You could say that, the thing that confuses me is how some folks say that the only way that you know that an exercise is working is if you feel the muscle burn and now someone just said that you dont need to feel the burn in order to have a succesful work out.
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Its not nescessary to feel the muscles burn, however if you like to feel the burn, make them burn.
What is nescessary is sufficient caloric intake, and progression in your exercise of choice for the traps.
The exercise doent matter: what matters is you finding a exercise that works for you, get stronger in this exercise of choice, and eat enough to provide a good environment for the muscle to grow.
RESEARCH, thats what you need to do
scott, at what level is it safe to start looking at imbalances (not serious shit)?
i mean like what numbers should i be hitting before i can consider myself having a decent base of muscle?
my short term goals are 2plates bench, 3 plates squat, and 4 plates dead
[quote]Damner wrote:
whitedime wrote:
damner you sound like you have no idea what you are doing…
You could say that, the thing that confuses me is how some folks say that the only way that you know that an exercise is working is if you feel the muscle burn and now someone just said that you dont need to feel the burn in order to have a succesful work out.
As for me having muscle inbalances, i just want to grow those scpecific muscles that i was talking about first then ill move to full body workouts. Whats the big deal, is that a sin?
Also, im currently doing for triceps the pressdown(not sure if this is considered machine or cable), lying dumbbell extension (one arm at a time), and overhead dumbbel extension (one arm at a time)twice a week w/ 2-3 days rest inbetween, does that look good to you guys?[/quote]
You really have no clue what you are doing, do you?
[quote]Damner wrote:
As for me having muscle inbalances, i just want to grow those scpecific muscles that i was talking about first then ill move to full body workouts. Whats the big deal, is that a sin? [/quote]
There’s a reason why T-Nation hates people who do isolation exercises only. Nothing beats compount movements when stimulating muscle growth. If you squat and deadlift more than you already do (if you do at all), your “specific muscles” will grow faster along with the rest of your body.
Oh, and eat a lot.
[quote]schultzie wrote:
scott, at what level is it safe to start looking at imbalances (not serious shit)?
i mean like what numbers should i be hitting before i can consider myself having a decent base of muscle?
my short term goals are 2plates bench, 3 plates squat, and 4 plates dead
[/quote]
Well my viewpoint is a little skewed no doubt so keep that in mind. I want to be very large so for me when I get to about 230-240ish range(currently 205-210) I’ll probably start working on bringing up lagging bodyparts. Until then it’s general mass building but at the same time not being an idiot about it. You have to look at your goals(look like a bodybuilder, be fit, lose fat, whatever)and make that decision. But my thought is that you aren’t seeing large groups of heavily muscle people walking around who need to work on lagging rear delts or VMO as often as you see people who are under muscled spending countless time bringing up lagging parts when they would be best served gaining size.
Your short term goals would get your out of the newb stage, but again depending on what you want to be in the long run will decide when you need to concentrate on certain areas, if you ever do.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Damner wrote:
whitedime wrote:
damner you sound like you have no idea what you are doing…
You could say that, the thing that confuses me is how some folks say that the only way that you know that an exercise is working is if you feel the muscle burn and now someone just said that you dont need to feel the burn in order to have a succesful work out.
As for me having muscle inbalances, i just want to grow those scpecific muscles that i was talking about first then ill move to full body workouts. Whats the big deal, is that a sin?
Also, im currently doing for triceps the pressdown(not sure if this is considered machine or cable), lying dumbbell extension (one arm at a time), and overhead dumbbel extension (one arm at a time)twice a week w/ 2-3 days rest inbetween, does that look good to you guys?
You really have no clue what you are doing, do you?[/quote]
I dont know if you cant read or not buddy but im asking for opinions not for you to tell me if i know what im doing or not. And i’m currently reading magazine and internet articles, so yeah im doing my research the thing is that theres so much different info that it can get overwhelming. So, for those of you acting like some expert body builder or a Jay Cutler wannabe your posts are are not needed.
[quote]Damner wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Damner wrote:
whitedime wrote:
damner you sound like you have no idea what you are doing…
You could say that, the thing that confuses me is how some folks say that the only way that you know that an exercise is working is if you feel the muscle burn and now someone just said that you dont need to feel the burn in order to have a succesful work out.
As for me having muscle inbalances, i just want to grow those scpecific muscles that i was talking about first then ill move to full body workouts. Whats the big deal, is that a sin?
Also, im currently doing for triceps the pressdown(not sure if this is considered machine or cable), lying dumbbell extension (one arm at a time), and overhead dumbbel extension (one arm at a time)twice a week w/ 2-3 days rest inbetween, does that look good to you guys?
You really have no clue what you are doing, do you?
I dont know if you cant read or not buddy but im asking for opinions not for you to tell me if i know what im doing or not. And i’m currently reading magazine and internet articles, so yeah im doing my research the thing is that theres so much different info that it can get overwhelming. So, for those of you acting like some expert body builder or a Jay Cutler wannabe your posts are are not needed. [/quote]
You got advice and you ignored it. You posted saying that you are working out your traps, forearms, triceps, and abs, and thats it, and youre only working out twice a week at that. If you had read ANYTHING at all regarding weight training, you would know this is stupid. You want an opinion, here is an opinion: what you are doing is stupid and holding off on training the rest of your body while you “grow” a few bodyparts is dumb and a good way to develop imbalances.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Damner wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Damner wrote:
whitedime wrote:
damner you sound like you have no idea what you are doing…
You could say that, the thing that confuses me is how some folks say that the only way that you know that an exercise is working is if you feel the muscle burn and now someone just said that you dont need to feel the burn in order to have a succesful work out.
As for me having muscle inbalances, i just want to grow those scpecific muscles that i was talking about first then ill move to full body workouts. Whats the big deal, is that a sin?
Also, im currently doing for triceps the pressdown(not sure if this is considered machine or cable), lying dumbbell extension (one arm at a time), and overhead dumbbel extension (one arm at a time)twice a week w/ 2-3 days rest inbetween, does that look good to you guys?
You really have no clue what you are doing, do you?
I dont know if you cant read or not buddy but im asking for opinions not for you to tell me if i know what im doing or not. And i’m currently reading magazine and internet articles, so yeah im doing my research the thing is that theres so much different info that it can get overwhelming. So, for those of you acting like some expert body builder or a Jay Cutler wannabe your posts are are not needed.
You got advice and you ignored it. You posted saying that you are working out your traps, forearms, triceps, and abs, and thats it, and youre only working out twice a week at that. If you had read ANYTHING at all regarding weight training, you would know this is stupid. You want an opinion, here is an opinion: what you are doing is stupid and holding off on training the rest of your body while you “grow” a few bodyparts is dumb and a good way to develop imbalances.[/quote]
It makes everyone else feel better about their workout though. buddy, read this forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224 and forget everything you already think you know about weight training.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
You got advice and you ignored it. You posted saying that you are working out your traps, forearms, triceps, and abs, and thats it, and youre only working out twice a week at that. If you had read ANYTHING at all regarding weight training, you would know this is stupid. You want an opinion, here is an opinion: what you are doing is stupid and holding off on training the rest of your body while you “grow” a few bodyparts is dumb and a good way to develop imbalances.[/quote]
When i first posted i skiped the part where the OP said that he just wants growth in a few bodyparts.
Now i resent giving advice.
Okay OP, the body usually not allow such imbalances, and even if yours allow , its a pretty good way to get stale lifts due to strengh imbalances.
In resume you are setting yourself up to a problem that perhaps will screw your progress in the future.
I agree with the poster that recommended starting strength.
You should be following a simple program, and learning everything you can about nutrition and exercise progression, not about burning trapz.
I am curently trying to plan a workout routine based on a five day split. I’m looking at work out plans and all of them have trapz either paired with shoulders or back i know thats bcuz you work the trap to some degree when exercising those 2 muscle groups.
My question is, with which group is it better to pair them with? And since i want to concentrate on trapz can i dedicate one day just for them? Once again opinions are highly appreciasted !!! Thanks =D
[quote]Damner wrote:
My question is, with which group is it better to pair them with? And since i want to concentrate on trapz can i dedicate one day just for them? Once again opinions are highly appreciasted !!! Thanks =D [/quote]
That complete trap specialization program I linked to on the first page of this thread, a week ago when you originally asked…the one designed by Christian Thibaudeau, which answered the exact question you asked…has you doing the trap-focused work instead of your regular back workout.
You can take it either way. The traps are a big chunk of meat that span down most of the upper and mid-back. They’re involved in most rowing and pulling motions, so you can finish hammering them on a back day. Or you can hit them when they’re more “fresh” on a day like shoulders, even though they’re involved as stabilizers and/or secondary/tertiary movers on some shoulder exercises.
[quote]Damner wrote:
My question is, with which group is it better to pair them with? And since i want to concentrate on trapz can i dedicate one day just for them? Once again opinions are highly appreciasted !!! Thanks =D [/quote]
I consider them part of my back but again man, can you honestly look at yourself at this point as say that’s one of the handful of muscles you need to train and that you don’t need overall size? If you want traps that stand up to your ears then you can forget about it unless you are a big boy overall. Get your dead lift(or start dead lifting) from where it is now and work over time to add 200+ lbs to it and your traps will grow better than you can hope for.
Do you need a dedicated trap day? What about forearm day and calf day and lateral head of triceps day and left pinky day? You will be at 35 workouts a week before you know it. You need to train your whole body to grow as a unit and until you are 50+ lbs heavier than when you started you likely don’t have imbalances, just small muscles.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Damner wrote:
My question is, with which group is it better to pair them with? And since i want to concentrate on trapz can i dedicate one day just for them? Once again opinions are highly appreciasted !!! Thanks =D
That complete trap specialization program I linked to on the first page of this thread, a week ago when you originally asked…the one designed by Christian Thibaudeau, which answered the exact question you asked…has you doing the trap-focused work instead of your regular back workout.
You can take it either way. The traps are a big chunk of meat that span down most of the upper and mid-back. They’re involved in most rowing and pulling motions, so you can finish hammering them on a back day. Or you can hit them when they’re more “fresh” on a day like shoulders, even though they’re involved as stabilizers and/or secondary/tertiary movers on some shoulder exercises.[/quote]
Yeah i definetly saw that one but since ive never done any of those compounds moves i think i better live it for when im a little more experienced, i mean i think im gonna break something and that i won’t performed them correctly, thus making the workout friggin useless.
So ill just incorporate traps, like you guys said, with back days and switching the order in which group comes first, like one day back and traps while the next workout i’ll do trapz and back. I’ll post my split tomorrow cuz i definetly want feedback about it. CHEERS
My Traps/upper back seem to get bigger with a combination of
A Eating
B I add weight/reps/distance to my deadlift, farmers walk, and powerlceans.
C Eating
[quote]Kalle wrote:
My Traps/upper back seem to get bigger with a combination of
A Eating
B I add weight/reps/distance to my deadlift, farmers walk, and powercleans.
C Eating[/quote]
Strange. That also works for me and everyone i know 
must be some kind of secret
for shrugs, i always used to do dumbell shrugs. now i primarily do barbell shrugs (GOOD FORM) and my upper traps have been growing a lot. for some reason barbell shrugs really give height to ur traps.
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
Damner wrote:
My question is, with which group is it better to pair them with? And since i want to concentrate on trapz can i dedicate one day just for them? Once again opinions are highly appreciasted !!! Thanks =D
I consider them part of my back but again man, can you honestly look at yourself at this point as say that’s one of the handful of muscles you need to train and that you don’t need overall size? If you want traps that stand up to your ears then you can forget about it unless you are a big boy overall. Get your dead lift(or start dead lifting) from where it is now and work over time to add 200+ lbs to it and your traps will grow better than you can hope for.
Do you need a dedicated trap day? What about forearm day and calf day and lateral head of triceps day and left pinky day? You will be at 35 workouts a week before you know it. You need to train your whole body to grow as a unit and until you are 50+ lbs heavier than when you started you likely don’t have imbalances, just small muscles. [/quote]
couldnt agree more with scott, damner i can not for the life of me understand why you would dedicate forearm w/o if you havent already developed basic muscularity with the rest of your w/o.
In terms of traps they will be highly stimulated during any lifting and back routine so my advice to u would be to cut away ur specialisation sessions at this time and work on building a well rounded physique, then concentrate on parts u believe are lagging.