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What Would Be Best?


#1

I'll start off by saying I have genetically low test (300 ng/dL). Especially for my age (20). I have a few years of decent lifting behind me, and still gaining naturally. However, as of the last year, it's been extremely difficult for me to gain anything (finding out now it was the low test). What would be best?

Take an Alpha Male/REZ-V stack for the time being. Take Methyl 1-D by LG sciences in the fall (with test booster PCT (like AM)). Or just wait a year, see what more I can do, and go with a 500 mg/wk test cyp cycle when I'm 21? Or all 3 in that order?

I don't think my test is actually low enough for TRT either.

Answers appreciated.


#2

What’s does you workouts look like?

Food intake?

Rest?

Could be any of theese things…


#3

[quote]Agon wrote:
What’s does you workouts look like?

Food intake?

Rest?

Could be any of theese things…[/quote]

Yeah, what do these aspects of your training look like? It is easy to pass off not meeting training goals by saying you have low test. But if your test currently isn’t low enough to qualify you for TRT then maybe there are other problems.


#4

Absolutely, i have to say, i have run deca alone at 300mg a week for 8 weeks… used a decent PCT but libido - gone! Natural test, non-existent.

But i still managed to build and shape some really decent muscle in the months following that cycle, just on legal non-hormonal supps.

Plus i am willing to bet, there are guys with high natural test levels, who train and are still not “great”.

Because injected test has such a profound effect on muscle growth people assume natural levels of test if higher, will too… but it tends to be used for other, more important (according to the body) things.

Joe


#5

[quote]Agon wrote:
What’s does you workouts look like?

Food intake?

Rest?

Could be any of theese things…[/quote]

Well, right now I’m trying to lose some BF, on the anabolic diet at the time being. I’ve been following it religiously, and minus the first couple weekends, I’ve been toning it down for the weekend calorie intake. Whether it’s eggs, a casein/fiber/olive oil shake, pepperoni, cheese, chicken, steak, etc, I make it to about 2000 calories right now. I’m losing fat, gradually, so it’s workin.

Not losing strength, in fact it’s increasing still, so that’s always a plus. This diet fits me to a T as well. My cholesterol is low (53 for LDL, 52 for triglycerides), but my resting glucose is high (97), as well as hemoglobin A1C (5.6%), so saving carbs for the weekend sounds like a good idea to me.

I’ll probably utilize carb cycling come fall. My diet is pretty spot on. Sometimes on the weekends I’ll have some pizza, wings, etc. During the week I might have some Red Robin’s burgers. But I try to save it for the weekend. Since I buy and cook my own food, I don’t eat much garbage (out of sight, out of mind as I always say).

Rest is at least 8 hours of solid sleep. I CANNOT function on anything less. I do the whole ZMA/GABA bit before. I shut all outside light out from my room, and cover my alarm clock. Yeah, it’s a bit much, but I really need it.

As far as workouts…

Monday-
Squats 5x5
Good mornings 2x8-10
Leg press 2x8-10
Hamstring curls 4x8-10
abs 3x20

Wednesday-
Bench 5x5
Close grip bench 2x8-10
DB incline bench 2x8-10
tricep extension 4x8-10
external shoulder rotations 2x15
curls (left arm only, been working on making it even with my right) 3x15

Friday-
deadlift 5x5
supported rows 4x8
shrugs 2x8-12
hammer curls 3x8
calves- constantly changing, but always making sure I take care of progressive overload.

For the most part, I lift heavy for the major compound movements, and the rest is more of a bodybuilding approach.


#6

[quote]Quicksilver0587 wrote:
Agon wrote:

Well, right now I’m trying to lose some BF, on the anabolic diet at the time being.
I’m losing fat, gradually, so it’s workin.

Not losing strength, in fact it’s increasing still, so that’s always a plus. This diet fits me to a T as well. My cholesterol is low (53 for LDL, 52 for triglycerides), but my resting glucose is high (97), as well as hemoglobin A1C (5.6%), so saving carbs for the weekend sounds like a good idea to me.

.[/quote]

It looks to me like what you are doing is working. As long as you are making continued progress then stay the course. Do not jump start on the AAS yet.


#7

I agree…

with the 1 arm work let me give you a tip, so you dont end up creating a bigger imbalance.

If your Left arm is smaller than the right, then do single arm work as you have, but start with the left and work to failure… say, 12 reps. Then match that with the right, which should be easy(ier)

If you do this ALWAYS and consistently, the left will always be working to maximum effort, the right not at maximum but the same as the left, and the left will catch up, but not surpass the right.

It is something i have done on a few bodyparts, and i am pretty symmetrical at the moment.

Joe