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What to Expect When Injecting?

[quote]Game Time wrote:
BroLac wrote:
Game Time wrote:
Just replace the needle, and go through the injection process again (swab, aspirate…etc). You can pin in the same spot or try a new location, thats up to you.

The needle will be dulled due to the first injection, so it is suggested to replace it

Okay, got it. Thank you, its good to know a whole injection wont be wasted.

You will need to squirt out the blood that you aspirated. I’m sure you already knew that but I just wanted to make sure.[/quote]

What would that small amount of blood hurt injected IM?

/serious question

A vacumm or sometimes a little air bubble.

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Game Time wrote:
BroLac wrote:
Game Time wrote:
Just replace the needle, and go through the injection process again (swab, aspirate…etc). You can pin in the same spot or try a new location, thats up to you.

The needle will be dulled due to the first injection, so it is suggested to replace it

Okay, got it. Thank you, its good to know a whole injection wont be wasted.

You will need to squirt out the blood that you aspirated. I’m sure you already knew that but I just wanted to make sure.

What would that small amount of blood hurt injected IM?

/serious question
[/quote]

It most likely won’t do anything at all. I’ve drawn blood before and just used the same pin and tried a different spot. Nowadays if it happens (I can’t remember the last time I drew blood) I just pull the needle out a tiny bit, reaspirate and inject.

[quote]GDI Inc wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
GDI Inc wrote:
No, I never aspirated an IM injection. No one I knew did either. Hard to hit a vein with a wide bore needle an inch and half in. It’s been a while, and I guess that would be safer. I’ve read here for a while and just get kinda uncomfortable thinking about guys doing IV inject.

I do not mean to be disrespectful at all as you seem to be posting in good faith but…

Many of your posts are littered with outdated information that you use to support your criticisms of contemporary AAS protocol. It is fine to have an opinion but using scare tactics just sounds cheesy and immature; especially without a factual basis to back a claim.

Again please don’t take this as an insult, it is just my interepretation of your posts. Not just a response to your post(s) in the steroid forum, but also your post in the thread about steroids in the BB forum.

I don’t take it as an insult. I jumped to conclusions here. But my mistake was an honest one. I had read the GH protocol here that included IV injections and had never heard of anyone that aspirated an IM injection. Hell, I’ve never noticed a nurse attempt to aspirate prior to an IM injection.[quote]

Nurses are highly trained individuals who know where most major blood vessels run, let alone the safest places for an IM inject.[/quote]

In any case, I have no real opinion on aspirating an IM injection, it’s a practice I never heard of, read of, or seen.[quote]

You havent seen, read or heard about much have you? It is a common practice amongst steroid users and the literature surrounding it. Not just this site, but other sites and books and on the street too…[/quote]

I don’t think I’ve used a single scare tactic. If you think pointing out the legal and social risks are scare tactics I think you’re wrong. Those are much more real then the health consequences. I don’t think advising people that are already using recreational drugs illegally and comfortable with needles to move onto IV injections of anything is good advice…not that I think the act of IV injection of GH is in itself more dangerous then IM injection it’s what it could lead to.

I dont necessarily disagree… moving someone who is using rec.drugs onto IV use is a dangerous move as it is highly likely they will shoot their coke or whatever. Saying that, there arent many rec.drugs solubule in water or in a form that would not need a proper srynge filtering (pills). Coke Heroin and ket spring to mind. But those who are serious enough about bodybuilding etc… to IV their 6 month course of GH are hardly likely to be using the aforementioned drugs - and it is a wholly different thing too.[/quote]

I haven’t presented myself as an expert. I haven’t said that there are serious health consequences from steroid use. I don’t think there are even in large dosages. I think they should be legal, by script anyway.

In any case, what is contemporary steroid protocol? Hell, I’ve read everything from 8 week cycles are best to many pro’s stay on all year. I don’t take criticism personally, so anytime you see something you specifically have a problem with and I’ll do my best to clarify my pov.

I actually had no intention of posting in the steroid forums when I signed up. It came up in my first thread…not of my choosing…I plan on remaining anonymous here so I figured why not.

I try to limit it to opinion here…maybe a story or two, but I won’t be offering any advice here.[/quote]

Sorry to say, but with a misconception the type of yours… maybe that is a good thing. No-one suggested injecting AAS IV, IV was never mentioned, it was something you read god knows when… maybe you need to lay off the rec.drugs :wink:

Brook

[quote]GDI Inc wrote:
WTF??? IV for steroids??? I read the shit about the HGH thing and I thought it was real fucking irresponsible to suggest that recreational drug users already comfortable with needles get comfortable tapping a vein.

When I fucked around it was always with a wide bore and an inch and half needle in the glute high and on the side.[/quote]

???

i jabbed 3 times with the same pin on my first attemp (fooked it all up and ended up throwing the whole thing away) but i didn’t notice a difference in the needle at any point. used a 23g. a few things that kind of made my first try a task was i wasn’t expecting to be able to pull the plunger and see empty space (vacuum) when aspiriating.

i knew drawing and such were slow because of the oil, but expected the drawing of the plunger to be slow. when i saw empty space it kida wierded me out like i did something wrong. another thing was the gripping of the needle. when i inserted the pin it started spinning around, lol.

difficult to do with one hand on my first attempt. gripping with one hand, drawing with a thumb to aspirate and then pushing plunger and such on the first attempt while trying not to move the needle is a task for a first time thing. just a few notes for the OP if he’s a beginner, too…

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
BroLac wrote:
Game Time wrote:
Just replace the needle, and go through the injection process again (swab, aspirate…etc). You can pin in the same spot or try a new location, thats up to you.

The needle will be dulled due to the first injection, so it is suggested to replace it

Okay, got it. Thank you, its good to know a whole injection wont be wasted.

I have made the mistake of both: not switching the needle after I drew from the vial, and switching locations with the same needle.

Neither were as bad as everyone makes them out to be. In fact, I didn’t really notice a difference. I think if you see blood and need to hit a different spot, you can use the same needle.[/quote]

I never replace the needle after drawing from the vial, it stings a little bit but nothing bad. I did however once have to draw from the vial twice and then I tried to inject and that hurt really bad, I couldn’t even make myself stick the needle in lol.

I once preloaded several syringes and man with a fresh needle you don’t feel a thing, it was nice.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
DOHCrazy wrote:
BroLac wrote:
Game Time wrote:
Just replace the needle, and go through the injection process again (swab, aspirate…etc). You can pin in the same spot or try a new location, thats up to you.

The needle will be dulled due to the first injection, so it is suggested to replace it

Okay, got it. Thank you, its good to know a whole injection wont be wasted.

I have made the mistake of both: not switching the needle after I drew from the vial, and switching locations with the same needle.

Neither were as bad as everyone makes them out to be. In fact, I didn’t really notice a difference. I think if you see blood and need to hit a different spot, you can use the same needle.

I never replace the needle after drawing from the vial, it stings a little bit but nothing bad. I did however once have to draw from the vial twice and then I tried to inject and that hurt really bad, I couldn’t even make myself stick the needle in lol.

I once preloaded several syringes and man with a fresh needle you don’t feel a thing, it was nice.[/quote]

You may not notice it now. But if you start doing ED injections for any period of time your sites are going to get hit often. Scar tissue will eventually build up. No doubt about that. It’s worth it to just get new needles and avoid all that.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
DOHCrazy wrote:
BroLac wrote:
Game Time wrote:
Just replace the needle, and go through the injection process again (swab, aspirate…etc). You can pin in the same spot or try a new location, thats up to you.

The needle will be dulled due to the first injection, so it is suggested to replace it

Okay, got it. Thank you, its good to know a whole injection wont be wasted.

I have made the mistake of both: not switching the needle after I drew from the vial, and switching locations with the same needle.

Neither were as bad as everyone makes them out to be. In fact, I didn’t really notice a difference. I think if you see blood and need to hit a different spot, you can use the same needle.

I never replace the needle after drawing from the vial, it stings a little bit but nothing bad. I did however once have to draw from the vial twice and then I tried to inject and that hurt really bad, I couldn’t even make myself stick the needle in lol.

I once preloaded several syringes and man with a fresh needle you don’t feel a thing, it was nice.[/quote]

There like cheaper than dirt dude. Why go through the trouble. Like bonez said on ED injections like hell your not going to feel it.

[quote]T-Coop wrote:
I mostly get vaccum.[/quote]

I thought I got air bubbles, but when watching closer its actually the minute air bubbles already in there are expanding cause I am drawing a vacuum
kind of crazy really I though I was about to inject air and kill myself the first time.
kind of nerve racking,n

[quote]MaddyD wrote:
T-Coop wrote:
I mostly get vaccum.

I thought I got air bubbles, but when watching closer its actually the minute air bubbles already in there are expanding cause I am drawing a vacuum
kind of crazy really I though I was about to inject air and kill myself the first time.
kind of nerve racking,n[/quote]

Yeah, I remember thinking the same thing myself at first. I think that most newbies have that thought.
But you did it anyway and lived.

I learned that if you pinch the skin and slowly push on the needle till it breaks the skin then it just goes in and you feel nothing. It can take me a minuite to push in 3cc the slower you inject the less it will be sore later. It’s not a race (unless you have a partner that you are hiding it from like some closet juicers). I did notice that at first I wasnt rubbing it in and so when I started too, the better I work it in there is most of the time no soreness at all.