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What the Russians are Saying about Obama's USA

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I was actually pretty entertained by the other articles this site offered. “The democrats embrace fascism” or “The klu klux klan once again controls Indiana.” “Puppet state America” and a couple i didnt see coming “NATOs torture of animals” “Precision massacre by Israel”
(for the record i support neither Republican or Dem.)

I am not an Obama supporter, but I feel compelled to say that Pravda does not represent “the Russians” or the general views of most of us. It is a mostly defunct paper run by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. It is a shadow of what it was when I was a kid. It is not even considered a reliable or major news source anymore. Try the Moscow Times if you don’t speak Russian. If you do, a couple of the better news agencies are http://www.mk.ru/ and kommersant.ru. They are two of the best and are more representative of the general views of the Russian population.

The author of this piece does bring up some good points, though I am not sure if he is Russian. Especially when he quotes Putin. Despite his flaws, Putin does generally know what he is talking about.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

Matt, somehow I got the idea that you were a naturalized citizen, but you say “us” here.

Did I have it wrong?[/quote]

I am a naturalized citizen, but nothing will change the fact that I am from Russia and will probably always identify myself as a Russian no matter where I live.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
http://www.mk.ru/ and kommersant.ru.

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Google chrome can translate it.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I feel compelled to say that Pravda does not represent “the Russians” or the general views of most of us. It is a mostly defunct paper run by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. It is a shadow of what it was when I was a kid. It is not even considered a reliable or major news source anymore. Try the Moscow Times if you don’t speak Russian. If you do, a couple of the better news agencies are http://www.mk.ru/ and kommersant.ru. They are two of the best and are more representative of the general views of the Russian population.

The author of this piece does bring up some good points, though I am not sure if he is Russian. Especially when he quotes Putin. Despite his flaws, Putin does generally know what he is talking about.[/quote]

It was my mistake to generalize and use “the Russians” on the title.
I just thought it was a very interesting article and had good points for discussion.

About it being a fringe newspaper;
Being major to me does not mean reliable.
If anything, I have been in America long enough to see exactly how “major” and “reliable” the press here is at manipulating people and misrepresenting reality.

[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
I was actually pretty entertained by the other articles this site offered. “The democrats embrace fascism” or “The klu klux klan once again controls Indiana.” “Puppet state America” and a couple i didnt see coming “NATOs torture of animals” “Precision massacre by Israel”
(for the record i support neither Republican or Dem.)[/quote]

Me too.
I’ve been told this is like the National Inquirer.
And that “pravda” means “truth”.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I feel compelled to say that Pravda does not represent “the Russians” or the general views of most of us. It is a mostly defunct paper run by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.[/quote]

I just don’t understand how it can be run by the Communist party if they seem to be against communism?

Having worked in a medium size technology/IT business owned, operated, and mostly employing Russian immigrants(like myself), i can say that the general political leanings were somewhere between the positions of Dr. Matt and this article.

Older Russians, those with families, had harsher opinions of Obama.
Younger, single, or newer immigrants were either apathetic or liked obama because of his image and charisma.
The rest were a mixed bag but most were more positive about Putin than any american politician and few were truly antagonistic toward him.
They made jokes occasionally about Putin’s “power grabs” but just as often joked about the double standard of american media on the subject.

My personal position being a young Russian-American who identifies himself first as a man, second as a Texan, and less and less as a Russian or American is that Putin’s positions at least in rhetoric most closely conform to limited government and free-market capitalism; closer in fact than any recent presidents. The problem, though is that he’s still stuck on the concept of doing more to help Russian business instead of doing less and letting them thrive in an environment of the eroding dollar.

In terms of understanding monetary policy and market cycles Putin and Romney are probably on the same page(based on Romney’s early anti-FED language).
Obama is just fantastically clueless in this case, interweaving the most appealing sound bites from various economic schools of thought ranging from Marx(equal work for equal pay), to Keynes(driving economic demand) and even psuedo-Austrian language(freeing up the market with government programs lol).

Ultimately I think that Russia along with China is likely to squander the opportunity to free up it’s economy due to nationalistic hubris. Smaller more humble southeast Asian economies are more likely to take full advantage of the coming monetary restructuring.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I feel compelled to say that Pravda does not represent “the Russians” or the general views of most of us. It is a mostly defunct paper run by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.[/quote]

I just don’t understand how it can be run by the Communist party if they seem to be against communism?
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The paper as a whole is very much pro communist. The articles in Russian are almost universally pro-communist. The articles in English are targeted mostly towards Americans who are almost always anti-communist (that whole cold war business still has a lot of Americans turned off to communism)so they tone down the communist message to get more ratings and views online. The English version is mostly concerned with being critical of America without being overtly anti-American (basically when liberals are in power they run conservative articles critical of liberals and when conservatives are in power they run liberal articles critical of conservatives), but it is first and foremost a propaganda machine for the Communist Party just like it was in the Soviet Union as well as a means of generating income for the Communist Party, this means reaching the most people.

If you look on the English Pravda site, you will see many articles on America and American politics, but of you look at most Russian news outlets, you will find very few. This is because America is not all that important to most of us, beyond treaties and policies that directly involve Russia (it is much more important to me since I live here). Most of the news outlets focus on Russia, just like most American outlets focus on America and American issues, not Russia. By running more articles on American politics, they draw in more viewers, which translates to more money from advertising.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Matt, somehow I got the idea that you were a naturalized citizen, but you say “us” here.

Did I have it wrong?[/quote]

I am a naturalized citizen, but nothing will change the fact that I am from Russia and will probably always identify myself as a Russian no matter where I live.[/quote]

So do you also consider yourself an American?[/quote]

Yes, I do. I have lived here for about half of my life and all of my adult life. You of all people can probably understand this. Can you tell me that after all the time you have spent in Japan you do not consider yourself at least a little bit Japanese as well as American? I consider myself an American as well as Russian. I care just as much about America as I do Russia. I am leaving America next year for a better job environment (as well as my first experience with socialism since the days of the Soviet Union), but that will not change anything and I hope to return someday if it is feasible.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I feel compelled to say that Pravda does not represent “the Russians” or the general views of most of us. It is a mostly defunct paper run by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.[/quote]

I just don’t understand how it can be run by the Communist party if they seem to be against communism?
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The paper as a whole is very much pro communist. The articles in Russian are almost universally pro-communist. The articles in English are targeted mostly towards Americans who are almost always anti-communist (that whole cold war business still has a lot of Americans turned off to communism)so they tone down the communist message to get more ratings and views online. The English version is mostly concerned with being critical of America without being overtly anti-American (basically when liberals are in power they run conservative articles critical of liberals and when conservatives are in power they run liberal articles critical of conservatives), but it is first and foremost a propaganda machine for the Communist Party just like it was in the Soviet Union as well as a means of generating income for the Communist Party, this means reaching the most people.

If you look on the English Pravda site, you will see many articles on America and American politics, but of you look at most Russian news outlets, you will find very few. This is because America is not all that important to most of us, beyond treaties and policies that directly involve Russia (it is much more important to me since I live here). Most of the news outlets focus on Russia, just like most American outlets focus on America and American issues, not Russia. By running more articles on American politics, they draw in more viewers, which translates to more money from advertising. [/quote]

X2
This is definitely an accurate portrayal of Pravda and similar media like RT news.
Funny enough, even though the intent is general anti-american sentiment the result of these types of publications is a kind of set of discontinuous ideologies similar to minarchism.

In other words, if you combine all the things they view to be opposite to american politics you get libertarian/minarchist positions.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Matt, somehow I got the idea that you were a naturalized citizen, but you say “us” here.

Did I have it wrong?[/quote]

I am a naturalized citizen, but nothing will change the fact that I am from Russia and will probably always identify myself as a Russian no matter where I live.[/quote]

So do you also consider yourself an American?[/quote]

Yes, I do. I have lived here for about half of my life and all of my adult life. You of all people can probably understand this. Can you tell me that after all the time you have spent in Japan you do not consider yourself at least a little bit Japanese as well as American? I consider myself an American as well as Russian. I care just as much about America as I do Russia. I am leaving America next year for a better job environment (as well as my first experience with socialism since the days of the Soviet Union), but that will not change anything and I hope to return someday if it is feasible.
[/quote]

Interesting. Where are you heading that’s a socialist environment and a better market for physics?

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Matt, somehow I got the idea that you were a naturalized citizen, but you say “us” here.

Did I have it wrong?[/quote]

I am a naturalized citizen, but nothing will change the fact that I am from Russia and will probably always identify myself as a Russian no matter where I live.[/quote]

So do you also consider yourself an American?[/quote]

Yes, I do. I have lived here for about half of my life and all of my adult life. You of all people can probably understand this. Can you tell me that after all the time you have spent in Japan you do not consider yourself at least a little bit Japanese as well as American? I consider myself an American as well as Russian. I care just as much about America as I do Russia. I am leaving America next year for a better job environment (as well as my first experience with socialism since the days of the Soviet Union), but that will not change anything and I hope to return someday if it is feasible.
[/quote]

Interesting. Where are you heading that’s a socialist environment and a better market for physics? [/quote]

Norway. The salary and budget I was offered at NTNU are much better then I was offered anywhere in the US outside of working for private companies, which is not very appealing to me. There just isn’t a lot of money for physics research right now, but I expect that to change sometime in the near future.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Matt, somehow I got the idea that you were a naturalized citizen, but you say “us” here.

Did I have it wrong?[/quote]

I am a naturalized citizen, but nothing will change the fact that I am from Russia and will probably always identify myself as a Russian no matter where I live.[/quote]

So do you also consider yourself an American?[/quote]

Yes, I do. I have lived here for about half of my life and all of my adult life. You of all people can probably understand this. Can you tell me that after all the time you have spent in Japan you do not consider yourself at least a little bit Japanese as well as American? I consider myself an American as well as Russian. I care just as much about America as I do Russia. I am leaving America next year for a better job environment (as well as my first experience with socialism since the days of the Soviet Union), but that will not change anything and I hope to return someday if it is feasible.
[/quote]

Interesting. Where are you heading that’s a socialist environment and a better market for physics? [/quote]

Norway. The salary and budget I was offered at NTNU are much better then I was offered anywhere in the US outside of working for private companies, which is not very appealing to me. There just isn’t a lot of money for physics research right now, but I expect that to change sometime in the near future.
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Gotcha.
That’s a fantastic place to make money. The Kroner is definitely a solid currency to get paid in. That’s one of the countries I would personally label as being successful despite it’s fiscal policy because it’s monetary policy and savings are solid.
In other words, they can “afford a safety net” because they haven’t eroded the savings and productivity of their citizenry.
I hope you enjoy it there.

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