[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
25mg clomid OR 20mg nolvadex + 0.5 mg arimidex ED should sort you out, but that’s just my opinion.
BBB[/quote]
so i’m a complete dummy when it comes to that stuff, i know roids are not over the counter but where can you get “clomid OR 20mg nolvadex + 0.5 mg arimidex ED” is it also underground or is that stuff more accessible?
The thing is (musclehead), while theoretically you would be correct in that a doctor is only interested in optimal health - it actually is rarely the case.
I have had more doctors than most, having lived in a number of different places and what i have noticed is that it is not merely a case of being under informed in sports sciences, it is being ignorant. there is a difference, and it is very unprofessional.
I am sure it comes with the fact that after so many years in medical school, most patients treat you as though you know everything when it comes to physiology and pathology. However when it comes to a subject they know nothing about - instead of gracefully being able to accept that fact and maybe learning something, they simply act as though the little knowledge they have is all they need to know and anything they don’t know is not worth knowing at all.
I am not just talking about AAS use, but anything to do with endocrinology, exercise or nutrition (unless it is related to the combination pill, doing the recommended 20mins 5x/wk or the food pyramid and that ‘salt is bad’).
If it was merely that doctors and nurse practitioners didn’t know about the subject and accepted that gracefully, then of course - that would be absolutely understandable. But to dismiss anything that they do not know as not worth knowing, is malpractice in that particular profession, especially when it comes to a patient who needs help in that area.
I have heard of a number of times when doctors and endos have prescribed 1500+iu doses of HCG - likely as that is what the insert says.
I don’t know about anyone else but i can read the insert my fucking self…
What about the time when i went into the doc’s with my hernia (abdominal), and i watched him use google to find the answer to my question of what sort of work should i avoid in the gym?
What they fail to understand is that those who have completed medical degrees are NOT the only people capable of doing such things - it is just they chose to. They are not the most intelligent people in the world.
Also while it can be understood why they don’t know everything about everything off the top of their head when it comes to prescribing and dosing accurately, i would much rather be under my own supervision than theirs simply as it is a specific area - which means specialisation over generalisation.
This isn’t a dig at you musclehead, i have just fallen out of sorts with my local medical community.
There is however a trend starting and i will bet anything that in 20 years these things will come to light. Functional medicince is the future…treating the whole body as a system…balancing nutrition, supplementation, hormone levels, for optimal physical and mental performance.
Fortunately for me i have such a practitioner that i work with. functionalmedicine.org can help you find a doctor in your area.
Alright, I went to the doc’s yesterday.
He’s a family friend, so he was very direct and honest with me.
He either thinks that I have hypgonadism or a pituitary deficiency. He ruled out excessive aromatase since, although it is an issue tied to obesity (and I’m around 25% bf) but he said that it generally doesn’t become an issue until you get to morbidly obese people. It still could be, but it’s not really common for someone at my weight to have that issue.
The thing is, since I’m not exhibiting any symptoms (weight gain, loss of libido, ED, lethargy, change of mood) he doesn’t want to mess with it until he has a reference point. We’ll do a blood draw early this Tuesday morning to compare, but I’m thinking that if my T levels should never drop that low.
Any thoughts from anyone? Even if I don’t exhibit symptoms at 214 ng/dl T and 66 ng/dl E2, I don’t want my endocrine system that out of whack. I’m making good progress now, but I can’t help but think what type of progress I’d make if I actually had normal T levels, ya know? Plus, with that high E2, I really don’t want to risk gynomastia.
Got my results back. T levels were, last Tuesday at 8am, 355. Still fucking pathetic. My doc says that it’s “all normal, nothing to worry about.” I know that my T levels should be 2x - 2.5x times this.
What advice do you guys have? BBB?
[quote]Xab wrote:
Got my results back. T levels were, last Tuesday at 8am, 355. Still fucking pathetic. My doc says that it’s “all normal, nothing to worry about.” I know that my T levels should be 2x - 2.5x times this.
What advice do you guys have? BBB? [/quote]
You should try out Bill Roberts Letro plan.
[quote]TheBigV wrote:
Xab wrote:
Got my results back. T levels were, last Tuesday at 8am, 355. Still fucking pathetic. My doc says that it’s “all normal, nothing to worry about.” I know that my T levels should be 2x - 2.5x times this.
What advice do you guys have? BBB?
You should try out Bill Roberts Letro plan.[/quote]
Why are you suggesting that?
umm how about the advice people already gave you? get a new doctor first, its fairly easy to find a hrt specialist that will respect your wishes to achieve high end of normal range on testosterone and optimal e2 levels. its a process, step one is find a decent doctor.
The doctor will say the e is just barely above normal and things can fluctuate, just look at the testosterone levels, so really there is no excess e therefore no excess aromatase. He will say this in a very knowlegable and definite tone, so you will think he is totally right, could not be wrong, and you are just asking too many questions and being silly.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
The doctor will say the e is just barely above normal and things can fluctuate, just look at the testosterone levels, so really there is no excess e therefore no excess aromatase. He will say this in a very knowlegable and definite tone, so you will think he is totally right, could not be wrong, and you are just asking too many questions and being silly. [/quote]
x2
It winds me up so fucking much.
Its time to find another doctor thats willing to work with you. You may not be experiencing any related sides regarding your condition, however you will feel that much better once your E levels are brought closer to the low end of normal.
I don’t understand the American citizens coming here bitching about their PCP when all they need to do is choose a new doctor. This is a plus to having independent health cover.
In the UK (if you need to use the NHS as the vast majority do) then you are stuck in the ‘catchment area’ of your home, only able to receive treatment from one surgery.
I am currently trying to decide how to talk to my doctor to try to convince them to test my liver, test my estradiol, test my lipids and such on a regular basis so i can make sure i am maintaining my health.
I have been informed (not in so many words but to the effect) that they refuse to ‘help’ me manage my steroid use and if i want to avoid problems then i should stop. Thats it.
So i am sure you can now see why it winds me up when Americans who can choose their doctor but simply do not bother, begin bitching about problems that are well within their means to change.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I don’t understand the American citizens coming here bitching about their PCP when all they need to do is choose a new doctor. This is a plus to having independent health cover.
In the UK (if you need to use the NHS as the vast majority do) then you are stuck in the ‘catchment area’ of your home, only able to receive treatment from one surgery.
I am currently trying to decide how to talk to my doctor to try to convince them to test my liver, test my estradiol, test my lipids and such on a regular basis so i can make sure i am maintaining my health.
I have been informed (not in so many words but to the effect) that they refuse to ‘help’ me manage my steroid use and if i want to avoid problems then i should stop. Thats it.
So i am sure you can now see why it winds me up when Americans who can choose their doctor but simply do not bother, begin bitching about problems that are well within their means to change.[/quote]
WHICH IS THE F’IN POINT I KEEP TRYING TO MAKE! GET A NEW DOCTOR FOR GOD’S SAKE
Absolutely.