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What The Deuce!?

this week was weird for me… I added numbers to all the lifts, but my energy was such that i was yawning during the most awkward moments!..

ex, during doing deads, i was downright sleepy/lethargic @ the weight which was my PR just a week (or has it been 2?) ago!..

the volume lifted decreased slightly, but its this feeling of lethargy that worries me…

my diet and sleeping schedule has been pretty darn impeccable…

its not that i don’t have the ‘will’ to work out << i have to bike across 2 small hills in the cold for 20 mins before i reach the gym, so I have a good excuse to ‘miss’ workouts >>…

has this ever happened to you? how do you deal with it?

Stewie Griffin would be horrified. It is “What the Deuce?”…

Happened to me a lot last year…

Surge basically fixed it… at least, in my humble opinion, i think it did.

Is it affecting your progress?

[quote]burning ice wrote:
<< i have to bike across 2 small hills in the cold for 20 mins before i reach the gym, so I have a good excuse to ‘miss’ workouts >>…
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We used to have to walk over 3 small hills in the cold…with no shoes…and we LIKED IT!

Back off for a week or so. No one is invincible, your lifting volume will catch up to you eventually.

Or maybe you are showing early signs of a bug/virus.

[quote]King of Vice wrote:
Back off for a week or so. No one is invincible, your lifting volume will catch up to you eventually.

Or maybe you are showing early signs of a bug/virus.[/quote]

why should he back off if he is making progress, he just set new pr’s so he is not overreaching. Other than that maybe you should drink coffee b4 you workout or something like that to get you “up”.

[quote]stoic27 wrote:
Stewie Griffin would be horrified. It is “What the Deuce?”…[/quote]

typo, typo… my apologies to stewie.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
King of Vice wrote:
Back off for a week or so. No one is invincible, your lifting volume will catch up to you eventually.

Or maybe you are showing early signs of a bug/virus.

why should he back off if he is making progress, he just set new pr’s so he is not overreaching. Other than that maybe you should drink coffee b4 you workout or something like that to get you “up”.[/quote]

First off, you can make gains WHILE overreaching. Secondly, I would avoid coffee. If you are, in fact, overreaching and putting in lots of volume at the gym (and elsewhere like school, work, etc for that matter), the coffee will only further drain your adrenals. Eventually, the false energy will bite you even harder.

I agree with Vice, subtract a little bit of volume but not intensity (Thibs recommends 50% of normal volume for about a week) and see how you feel.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
King of Vice wrote:
Back off for a week or so. No one is invincible, your lifting volume will catch up to you eventually.

Or maybe you are showing early signs of a bug/virus.

why should he back off if he is making progress, he just set new pr’s so he is not overreaching. Other than that maybe you should drink coffee b4 you workout or something like that to get you “up”.[/quote]

doesn’t work for me bro, all that happens is i get jittery… as in, i can be awake but yawning all the same… (i know, i’m unique)…

all thats changed during the last 2 weeks is that I added Ragnarok as my pre-workout supp…

just got back from the gym… i was wiped out by the time i reached the doors, i could’ve taken a nap right there! not even exaggerating…

again, added more numbers today, even though I had to cut a few exercises in the end (since i wanted to bike back home without losing my balance)…

hmm… is this an indication that i should switch to a lower volume routine for a few weeks? or should i cut ragnarok and buy a surge?

[quote]ovalpline wrote:

First off, you can make gains WHILE overreaching.
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Gee, if you are making gains while “overreaching” (whatever the fuck that means), how is that negative?

Here’s a tip:

Maybe your diet is NOT that ‘impeccable’ if you are feeling that fucking drained all of the time.

I’ll yawn during workouts too. I always assumed it was just my body trying to get some extra oxygen.

As long as you’re putting up more weight, does a yawn really matter?

Same thing happens to me all the time. For instance I just got back from a back day. I was yawning in between my dead sets but I was about to do more reps than ever before and it felt great.

Meh, I’m not going to worry about it!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
ovalpline wrote:

First off, you can make gains WHILE overreaching.

Gee, if you are making gains while “overreaching” (whatever the fuck that means), how is that negative?[/quote]

It’s not negative.

OP, let me clarify this since Prof X misinterpreted what I wrote. What I’m telling you is that whenever you are making gains, you know you are doing something right.

However, that you are tired may be an indication that you are using too much maintainable volume (hence the fatigue) and a lower volume week may be in order.

Checking your diet like Prof X suggested is a good idea, but eating more isn’t necessarily the cure for fatigue. While it’s true that calories + training volume go hand in hand, you can overdo either factor.

I am under the assumption your diet is working for you since you are making gains and will stick to my bet that a lower volume week could help.

It sounds like you need to take a break. Just because you’re making gains doesn’t mean anything at all. Your muscles are making gains but how is your body in general doing? Your heart, your lungs, and other organs need rest too. When you work out you don’t only work out your muscles. Since you’re tired it 's okay to take a break. Don’t worry about taking breaks ever because you won’t lose muscle mass or strength. Everyone has that time where they’re burnt out.

If you continue to work out and you’re tired, you should take a break for a week. That’s my recommendation. When was the last time you took a break anyways? I mean if you’ve been doing cardio and weight training for 3 months… you’re definitely burning yourself out. I usually take a break after each weight lifting phase (when I’m ready to change my rountine I’ll take a week off before I switch to my new one).

caffeine prior to workout, and carbs before and after. I had similar issues until I started adding Surge to my regimen. Spike Shooters are incredible as well, I guarantee you will not yawn.

[quote]Mikel0428 wrote:
caffeine prior to workout, and carbs before and after. I had similar issues until I started adding Surge to my regimen. Spike Shooters are incredible as well, I guarantee you will not yawn.[/quote]

If you’re taking supplements to ignore body signals don’t you think that’s a bad idea? That’s like dumbing down your body signals. Yeah Surge is there to help you build mass and keep you energetic, but if you’re burnt out you need to take a break. Not everyone should train 3-4 times a week non-stop for god knows how many months.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Here’s a tip:

Maybe your diet is NOT that ‘impeccable’ if you are feeling that fucking drained all of the time.[/quote]

cmon prof… JB’s PN diet!! i MIGHT be off by a few 100 calories maybe, but still…

regardless, I’ll just take a week slow and see what happens… thanx for your input everyone… was just wondering if this happens to everyone or whether i was going through something…

[quote]RaferAlston26 wrote:
Mikel0428 wrote:
caffeine prior to workout, and carbs before and after. I had similar issues until I started adding Surge to my regimen. Spike Shooters are incredible as well, I guarantee you will not yawn.

If you’re taking supplements to ignore body signals don’t you think that’s a bad idea? That’s like dumbing down your body signals. Yeah Surge is there to help you build mass and keep you energetic, but if you’re burnt out you need to take a break. Not everyone should train 3-4 times a week non-stop for god knows how many months.

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Are you being serious? Had I thought like you all of the way through school, I would have simply stopped lifting altogether. There were many nights I was getting about 3 hours worth of sleep. I also trained on average about 6 days a week. While I am not saying everyone has the genetics to recover quickly from a training session, the belief that everyone is that fragile that they need time off every few weeks is also false. It is an individual need and blanket statements should be avoided. There were many times that Ripped Fuel was used either to study all night for exams or to hit the gym. Welcome to the life of a grad student or a student at any professional school from law school to med school. In those circumstances, you either adapt to that way of life or you give up having any sort of life outside of studying.

I find it funny that students across the country are drinking coffee by the gallon or drinking energy drinks like they are going out of style but if anyone associates taking caffeine with lifting weights, suddenly it should be avoided.

[quote]burning ice wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Here’s a tip:

Maybe your diet is NOT that ‘impeccable’ if you are feeling that fucking drained all of the time.

cmon prof… JB’s PN diet!! i MIGHT be off by a few 100 calories maybe, but still…
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It really doesn’t matter whose diet you are on. If your food intake isn’t enough for your body to run optimally, you will have those symptoms you listed. You wrote that as if his name meant the diet was right for you. Some of you think strangely.