[quote]Penny wrote:
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Whatever pin dick. You numb nuts just don’t get it. They allowed a known steroid dealer to interview himself. And they knew it.
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You didn’t know that story was fishy when you first read it?
I didn’t believe the covert stuff for a second.
OH MY GAWD, GUYS!!!
I just found out that…I am so emotional right now…that…that Santa is DEAD!!!
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
However, after speaking with this individual for over ninety minutes by phone, I can tell you he?s one of the more intelligent and cautious people I?ve ever spoken with. He fully plans on leaving this “profession” by his own volition, and a lot sooner than many of you think.
Welcome to the world of Generic Agriculture & Chemical (GAC), steroid bootlegger extraordinaire!
Oh man that is priceless!
and “Interviewer Extraordinaire!” as well!
But I don’t understand why he had to go to the parking lot when he could have just stayed at home. Maybe he needed to pick up some groceries?
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Writers do have license for embellishment. It’s called Fiction. Does that make things more clear, penny? When did you consider T-Nation a bastion for pure, unadulterated honest reporting? Especially when this article started like some bad Robert Ludlum novel? I agree with a previous poster: YAWN
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OH MY GAWD, GUYS!!!
I just found out that…I am so emotional right now…that…that Santa is DEAD!!![/quote]
And no word from the Biotest guys. Looks to me like they are trying to keep this a secret from the rest of us.
Penny, you are a tool and therefore, I salute you “HAAARRRRRRRR”.
DB
[quote]Penny wrote:
swivel wrote:
i’d say you’re not quite the brightest penny in the roll.
Whatever pin dick. You numb nuts just don’t get it. They allowed a known steroid dealer to interview himself. And they knew it.
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And I’d say it’s rather telling that the only post to which you have replied was one complimenting your intelligence.
Do you have any answers for anyone else? Everyone knows that one of the functions of T-Nation is to provide a broad range of perspectives on the use of steroids.
You have conveniently ignored the steroid forum and forgotten the interview with Anthony Roberts.
Open your eyes.
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products. Is the desire to defend T-Nation really blinding you guys that much? One of the central tenets in the steroid game is that you don’t learn about steroids from your dealer; Many of you were unknowingly doing just that.
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info was really recommending his own products?
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info gave recommendations on chemicals and stacks that may have been influenced by what GAC had in stock at the time?
Anyone familiar with GAC’s exagerations about its own products should be a little troubled that that same person was writing as a trusted source here at T-Nation.
I commend TC for responding so quickly, and I believe him wholeheartedly when he says he did not know.
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products. Is the desire to defend T-Nation really blinding you guys that much? One of the central tenets in the steroid game is that you don’t learn about steroids from your dealer; Many of you were unknowingly doing just that.
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info was really recommending his own products?
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info gave recommendations on chemicals and stacks that may have been influenced by what GAC had in stock at the time?
Anyone familiar with GAC’s exagerations about its own products should be a little troubled that that same person was writing as a trusted source here at T-Nation.
I commend TC for responding so quickly, and I believe him wholeheartedly when he says he did not know.[/quote]
I think that is sort of the point. We can certainly be upset at Brock Strasser for the duplicity, but not particularly at T-Nation if they didn’t know. It seems they were duped to some degree as well.
-Fireplug
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products. Is the desire to defend T-Nation really blinding you guys that much? One of the central tenets in the steroid game is that you don’t learn about steroids from your dealer; Many of you were unknowingly doing just that.
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info was really recommending his own products?
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info gave recommendations on chemicals and stacks that may have been influenced by what GAC had in stock at the time?
Anyone familiar with GAC’s exagerations about its own products should be a little troubled that that same person was writing as a trusted source here at T-Nation.
I commend TC for responding so quickly, and I believe him wholeheartedly when he says he did not know.[/quote]
Maybe I’m wrong here, but I wasn’t aware that T-Nation recommends taking steroids. The original post was claiming that T-Nation was not allowing any posts on this guys story because they were conflicted over something that was posted several years ago. And I don’t trust anyone who recommends that I take illegal drugs.
DB
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products.[/quote]
Oh my god, you are right. This place is also recommending Biotest products, and books by their authors. How terrible.
Seriously, why not? It might be the only time he was absolutely sure of the quality of the “supplements”. If you believe in your product, why not back it up.
Oh and I think you need to take into account that if he is selling the stuff, he cannot come out and say it as long as it was illegal. This does make sense does it not?
Now what is really sad is that people seem to be lumping this into the other types of drugs. There is a little difference between steroids, and crack, and the people who deal these things.
As I have not now nor ever been interested in using steroids, why would anything in that section be of interest to me, Moriarty? Me, defend steroids? See, T-Nation, to me, has really nothing to do with the stuff, other than offer a forum for discussion. Not promote or expand the use of such material. It just doesn’t exist in my rose colored world. Kinda like gay porn.
La LA LA LA LA… I’m not hearing none of it LA LA LA LA LA
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Maybe I’m wrong here, but I wasn’t aware that T-Nation recommends taking steroids. The original post was claiming that T-Nation was not allowing any posts on this guys story because they were conflicted over something that was posted several years ago. And I don’t trust anyone who recommends that I take illegal drugs.
DB[/quote]
They may not recommend them outright, but they do have a lot of info on them, and support their intelligent use.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it is bad.
Also many people go to Mexico, buy and use their stuff, and come back across the boarder, thereby not breaking the law because it is legal.
And what do the police think about this?
It’s funny. But I really don’t think it matters in the least bit.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
Maybe I’m wrong here, but I wasn’t aware that T-Nation recommends taking steroids. The original post was claiming that T-Nation was not allowing any posts on this guys story because they were conflicted over something that was posted several years ago. And I don’t trust anyone who recommends that I take illegal drugs.
DB
They may not recommend them outright, but they do have a lot of info on them, and support their intelligent use.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it is bad.
Also many people go to Mexico, buy and use their stuff, and come back across the boarder, thereby not breaking the law because it is legal.
And what do the police think about this?
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=202cops2[/quote]
Nice articles to prove your points. To justify the use of steroids you posted a “Strange Sex Laws” article (which was quite amusing) and an interview with some deputies who use steroids. Sex laws have nothing to do with drug laws and can’t be compared at all.
Irresponsible use of steroids (improper dosing and/or very poor quality) have been shown to be highly detrimental to their users, often leading to addiction and/or acts of physical violence. That is why they are illegal, not because some Puritan lawmaker didn’t want anyone using them in 1645 and no one has made the effort to have the statute reversed.
And justifying the use of an illegal substance because there are some law officers using them is not exactly arguing on solid ground. There are law officers that abuse and kill people illegally too - does that make it ok? If it were a widely practiced and accepted activity in the law enforcement community, why would they be so secretive about it?
Look, I don’t think they should be illegal, but their usage should surely be regulated to ensure only quality steroids are available and that proper cycling and dosages are employed. But as long as they are illegal, I don’t see how you can justify recommending their use to others if you truly have their best interests at heart, if not simply because of the legal ramifications if they get caught.
DB
[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products. Is the desire to defend T-Nation really blinding you guys that much? One of the central tenets in the steroid game is that you don’t learn about steroids from your dealer; Many of you were unknowingly doing just that.
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info was really recommending his own products?
No one’s upset that a trusted source of info gave recommendations on chemicals and stacks that may have been influenced by what GAC had in stock at the time?
Anyone familiar with GAC’s exagerations about its own products should be a little troubled that that same person was writing as a trusted source here at T-Nation.
I commend TC for responding so quickly, and I believe him wholeheartedly when he says he did not know.
I think that is sort of the point. We can certainly be upset at Brock Strasser for the duplicity, but not particularly at T-Nation if they didn’t know. It seems they were duped to some degree as well.
-Fireplug[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
You guys really don’t see the conflict of interest here? A steroid dealer posted as a T-Nation writer and recommended his own products.
Oh my god, you are right. This place is also recommending Biotest products, and books by their authors. How terrible.
Seriously, why not? It might be the only time he was absolutely sure of the quality of the “supplements”. If you believe in your product, why not back it up.
Oh and I think you need to take into account that if he is selling the stuff, he cannot come out and say it as long as it was illegal. This does make sense does it not?
Now what is really sad is that people seem to be lumping this into the other types of drugs. There is a little difference between steroids, and crack, and the people who deal these things.
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That’s pretty poor analogy. Yes, T-Nation does recommend Biotest products, but WE KNOW THEY ARE Biotest EMPLOYEES. The correct analogy would be if TC created an alter ego, pretended to be a professor of biology with no ties to Biotest, and recommended Biotest supplements. And again, T-Nation is not at fault here, it is GAC that I’m blaming for this duplicity.
I’ll tell you what I’m blathering about… I’ve got information man! New shit has come to light! And shit… man, he interveiwed himself. Well sure, man. Look at it… a 'roid “guru”, in the parlance of our times, you know, and he, uh, uh, sells steroids all over town, including to known juicers, and that’s cool… that’s, that’s cool, I’m, I’m saying, he needs exposure, man. And of course he’s going to say that didn’t do it, because… he wants more, man! He’s got to feed the monkey, I mean uh… hasn’t that ever occurred to you? Sir?
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Nice articles to prove your points. To justify the use of steroids you posted a “Strange Sex Laws” article (which was quite amusing) and an interview with some deputies who use steroids. Sex laws have nothing to do with drug laws and can’t be compared at all. [/quote]
Apparently you didn’t understand what I was saying. Just because a law is in place does not mean it is right. I am not telling anyone to violate the law, just pointing out how some laws do not make sense. And my belief is that the laws surrounding steroids is similar.
I do not believe steroids are physically addictive, but may be psychologically addictive, and the whole roid rage thing is a myth. There may be some mild aggressiveness in the short term, but anyone who actually is an asshole on steroids had been found to be an asshole before they ever started taking steroids.
Now as far as improper dosing and poor quality, that is one of the reasons I believe the laws should be changed. I would much rather have trained doctors monitoring the use as opposed to the current system, and legal routs should produce much less risk then buying from Guido down the street.
There are currently about 2 million men on testosterone replacement therapy. This is monitored by doctors, and has health benefits. But many people who need this therapy do not get it because doctors are often scared they will get into trouble if they prescribe too easily. This is one of the negative side effects of how steroids are now classified.
Improper steroid use will cause premature baldness, and man boobies. Embarrassing, but not dangerous. There are cardiovascular risks from continued overuse, but eating McDonalds daily is just as risky, and I know plenty of people who consider MickyDees a staple of their diet.
Wait a second. You disliked me connecting sex laws and steroid laws, but are willing to connect steroid use and murder?
How about this connection. Ephadra was banned. Agree with this or not? (Might be in limbo right now.) If somebody is caught in possession of ephadra, what should the punishment be? 10 years?
Actually that is what I am arguing about myself. I have not used anything illegal, and MAG-10 is the strongest anabolic I have ever used. I have no intention of using anything illegal myself, and personally am not saying people should use steroids. But I also cannot tell people not to use them, if they are intelligent about it.
I will say the vast majority of people should not be using steroids. But a large group of people who do use steroids are the people with aids. They have found a major improvement in their lives, and yet they are breaking the law to gain this benefit. Personally I cannot fault them.
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
That’s pretty poor analogy. Yes, T-Nation does recommend Biotest products, but WE KNOW THEY ARE Biotest EMPLOYEES. The correct analogy would be if TC created an alter ego, pretended to be a professor of biology with no ties to Biotest, and recommended Biotest supplements. And again, T-Nation is not at fault here, it is GAC that I’m blaming for this duplicity.[/quote]
But again how does a person come out and say they are breaking the law? The cops would have been at his door years ago. I understand the idea of “conflict of interest” and of interviewing yourself, yet if he simply wrote about his experience with his real name, legal ramifications.
Maybe he should have just written it with the name anonymous, or simply GAC, and put it as a first person. But then again he was more likely to have to article published at T-Nation under his name since he was already an author. And probably wanted to make sure even the people at T-Nation didn?t know this was him.
I am not saying he went about it right, but I understand why he did it. What I truly see is a person trying to relay information while keeping his connections secret for legal reasons. (Also makes cashing the check for writing the article easier.)
[quote]sam747 wrote:
I’ll tell you what I’m blathering about… I’ve got information man! New shit has come to light! And shit… man, he interveiwed himself. Well sure, man. Look at it… a 'roid “guru”, in the parlance of our times, you know, and he, uh, uh, sells steroids all over town, including to known juicers, and that’s cool… that’s, that’s cool, I’m, I’m saying, he needs exposure, man. And of course he’s going to say that didn’t do it, because… he wants more, man! He’s got to feed the monkey, I mean uh… hasn’t that ever occurred to you? Sir? [/quote]
Awesome Lebowski reference!
Watched it again last night - great movie.
Oh, and I couldn’t give two shits about the Brock Strasser thing.
Carry on.
Wow. It would be a giant conspiracy by the man, except no-one gives two pounds of rhino shit about what you think.
Now, if they arrest the tooth fairy for steeling all my baby teeth, I’ll be impressed.
[quote]Massif wrote:
Wow. It would be a giant conspiracy by the man, except no-one gives two pounds of rhino shit about what you think.
Now, if they arrest the tooth fairy for steeling all my baby teeth, I’ll be impressed.[/quote]
That’s insane! The Tooth Fairy (should be capitalized) PAYS for teeth after you left them under your pillow, so he/she cannot be arrested for stealing since you were an active participant in the transaction. If you have a gripe with what transpired, you may have a civil case against your parents. I’m sure a court in the U.S. would gladly hear your case.
DB