Musclerob, what do you think the price of freedom has been traditionally? Sadly, freedom is paid for with lives.
Soldier’s lives, not innocent civilian’s lives. You seem to be missing some pretty big concepts here. Are you trying to justify the murder of 3000 Americans?
If you are unwilling to think and use your own mind, what is the point of discussing things?
Yep, that’s me. Deerrr, eerrrr, arrrrr (I think that last one means I’m a pirate, too).
Pre 9-11 nobody would have been willing to do something so blatantly racist as profiling.
Ok, first of, you prove my point. No one would have wanted to do the ONE thing that would have obviously prevented 9-11.
Second, we are not racially profiling - those Arab males are racially profiling themselves. How can you try to spin it around and accuse ME of racially profiling? I’m not the one making Arab males be terrorists. They do that on their own. All I’m doing is observing the fact that terrorists are almost always Arab males. How can you spin my objective observations into me doing something bad, but you don’t seem to mind the terrorists?
Do you think racial profiling hasn’t been done for years? Ask any black person who has been pulled over when driving just because of their skin tone.
Huh, well, that’s just tough shit. That’s what happens when black people commit most of the crimes. Again, it’s not my fault that happens, so it’s not my fault if police do their jobs and look at things objectively.
If 60% of crimes are commited by black males (I made that stat up, btw), and 0% are done my Asian grandmas, why on earth would you go after the Asian grandma for fairness sake? That is intrinsicly UNFAIR since it’s almost 100% guaranteed that that Asian grandma did nothing. Somehow you twist it so that it’s not fair to question people that are at a much greater risk of being guilty, but it’s fine to question people that are at almost zero risk of being guilty. Somehow in your twisted mind that is “fair”.
All I’m doing is pointing out that the US is possibly sliding down the slippery slope of eroding rights and freedoms. You are making all kinds of baseless conclusions on your own.
Baseless conclusions? What would those be? Why don’t you actually state those “baseless conclusions.” In fact, your accusation of “baseless conclusions” appears to be a baseless conclusion, as all you did was come up with some accusation and not follow up with any reason or evidence. I’d call that a “baseless conclusion” if anything.
And you’re right, we are sliding down a slippery slope. We have people like YOU that want to put the people at a much greater risk of terrorism because you have some twisted view of what is “fair”. It’s fair to stop and question people in airports that are at a zero risk of being terrorists. That’s twisted.
So, what do you do? You call my words despicable and attempt to make it uncomfortable for me to express thoughts and ideas.
No. You’re twisting things to fit what you want them to. I’m trying to make you “uncomfortable” to express your thoughts and opinions. Yeah, right. Grow up you baby. I call your thoughts despicable because you seem to think the “rights” of Arab males not to be questioned in airports is more valuable than the 3000 that were MURDERED. I call your thoughts despicable because you think it’s fair to question people that are at a zero risk of being terrorists for the sake of “fairness”.
That is what the current administration has done too. Anyone who doesn’t agree completely with all policy decisions is labelled as unpatriotic or given some other inappropriate label.
The republican attack machine, huh?
Rights and freedoms are not something to be protected when it is convenient. They are something to die for. What do you think the US stands for? It is the land of the free for god sakes! It has things like “all men are created equal” in the constitution. It has ideals that proclaim people are “innocent until proven guilty”.
Do you eve know what the job of the government is? Do you? THE number one job of the government is national defense. And you know what? Citizen have the right not to be murdered! You seem to think Arab males have the RIGHT not to be questioned in an airport, but 3000 Americans didn’t have the right to live. That’s goes beyond despicable.
Do you know how ANYTHING works? Yes, of course it’s “innocent until proven guilty”. But you seem to twist it to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean so it fits into your twisted argument.
What happens in law? Police gather evidence against someone so they have enough to bring charges against them. They then question them in a court, and are innocent until proven guilty. If there is not enough evidence, then they go free.
You seem to think that by questioning Arab males in airports, that they are automatically assumed guilty. First of all, there is a great deal of evidence to show that Arab males are most likely to be terrorists. There’s the evidence. So airlines would then question Arab males that wish to fly on THEIR planes. If there is not enough evidence to show that they’re guilty, then they get to fly. Again, somehow you twisted “questioning with evidence” into “being guilty”.
It is freedom of speech that protects the citizen from a runaway government. Go ahead, start giving up that right for various situations. You’ll become what you are fighting against if you don’t be careful.
Ok, so now allowing airlines to profile based on extensive evidence will lead to the collapse of freedom of speech. And if I sneeze here in the US, I might cause a chain of chaotic events that lead to a tsunami in Japan.
And, all I mean by that is that you’ll have given the administration, whoever holds office, the ability to do anything they want because nobody is able to speak out against it anymore. The longer that situation lasts the more incredibly dangerous it becomes.
What are you talking about?
Sadly, the war against terrorism could last for generations. I don’t see anybody changing the educational curriculum in the Arab world to stop the creation of fanatics.
What does this have to do with profiling? Besides, you need to learn some patience. Not everything is instant, you know. Do you buy video tapes from infomercials at 4 am that guarantee “4 minute abs”?
So, my question to you is, should we also become a nation of unthinking fanatics?
No, we shouldn’t. But with more and more people like you, it might end up that way.
By the way, ephedra was banned because it could, if abused, kill people. Do you support the ban?
First off, the ban has nothing to do with profiling. It is a complex issue that deals with doctors and drug companies. It has nothing to do with the war on terror. It has everything to do with doctors shunning natural remedies, and drug companies wanting to get rid of a threat to their profits, which is what ephedra is - effective.
People die every day for all kinds of reasons.
Are you trying to justify the murder of 3000 of our citizens?
Since some muslims kill people, maybe we should make the practice of that religion illegal? Why don’t we just exile every muslim or put them in concentration camps? Why stop with racial profiling? How far do you think we should go?
This is idiotic. There is something called “freedom of religion”, you know. Allowing airlines to question based on well established profiles will not lead to any of these goofy things you say.
How much is too much? Do the ends justify the means?
Are you asking if questioning Arab males is worth the lives of 3000 of our citizens? The answer is unequivocally yes.