[quote]WRPL wrote:
deadlifts do NOT count as pulling, because the only stress they place on the shoulder girdle is downwards (i.e. only working the upper back) you need to do lat work if you expect a strong bench… there is a reason that “experts and gurus” are “experts and gurus” and you’re not[/quote]
Well this statement pretty much shows your knowledge, or lack thereof. Deadlifts down only place stress downward on the shoulder girdle. There is a VERY significant amount of shoulder retraction needed to keep your upper back from rounding. I dont care what your or any “experts” say, deadlifts work your ENTIRE back, including upper/mid/lower traps, lats, romboids, and erectors.
And there comes a time when you have to decide what “experts” you are going to listen to. Most of them are right to an extent, but if you are looking at training for bench, then you should listen to the experts that bench a ton, if your are caring for a nagging injury, then maybe listen to the expert that has experience in this area.
And no, for the most part there isn’t a reason they are experts or gurus. Its pretty much self proclaimed, or they miraculously develop a cult like following.