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Welcome to Palestine

[i]How troublesome the Muslims of the Middle East are. First, we demand that the Palestinians embrace democracy and then they elect the wrong party - Hamas - and then Hamas wins a mini-civil war and presides over the Gaza Strip. And we Westerners still want to negotiate with the discredited President, Mahmoud Abbas. Today “Palestine” - and let’s keep those quotation marks in place - has two prime ministers. Welcome to the Middle East.

Who can we negotiate with? To whom do we talk? Well of course, we should have talked to Hamas months ago. But we didn’t like the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people. They were supposed to have voted for Fatah and its corrupt leadership. But they voted for Hamas, which declines to recognise Israel or abide by the totally discredited Oslo agreement.

No one asked - on our side - which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognise. The Israel of 1948? The Israel of the post-1967 borders? The Israel which builds - and goes on building - vast settlements for Jews and Jews only on Arab land, gobbling up even more of the 22 per cent of “Palestine” still left to negotiate over ?

And so today, we are supposed to talk to our faithful policeman, Mr Abbas, the “moderate” (as the BBC, CNN and Fox News refer to him) Palestinian leader, a man who wrote a 600-page book about Oslo without once mentioning the word “occupation”, who always referred to Israeli “redeployment” rather than “withdrawal”, a “leader” we can trust because he wears a tie and goes to the White House and says all the right things. The Palestinians didn’t vote for Hamas because they wanted an Islamic republic - which is how Hamas’s bloody victory will be represented - but because they were tired of the corruption of Mr Abbas’s Fatah and the rotten nature of the “Palestinian Authority”.

I recall years ago being summoned to the home of a PA official whose walls had just been punctured by an Israeli tank shell. All true. But what struck me were the gold-plated taps in his bathroom. Those taps - or variations of them - were what cost Fatah its election. Palestinians wanted an end to corruption - the cancer of the Arab world - and so they voted for Hamas and thus we, the all-wise, all-good West, decided to sanction them and starve them and bully them for exercising their free vote. Maybe we should offer “Palestine” EU membership if it would be gracious enough to vote for the right people?

All over the Middle East, it is the same. We support Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, even though he keeps warlords and drug barons in his government (and, by the way, we really are sorry about all those innocent Afghan civilians we are killing in our “war on terror” in the wastelands of Helmand province).

We love Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, whose torturers have not yet finished with the Muslim Brotherhood politicians recently arrested outside Cairo, whose presidency received the warm support of Mrs - yes Mrs - George W Bush - and whose succession will almost certainly pass to his son, Gamal.

We adore Muammar Gaddafi, the crazed dictator of Libya whose werewolves have murdered his opponents abroad, whose plot to murder King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia preceded Tony Blair’s recent visit to Tripoli - Colonel Gaddafi, it should be remembered, was called a “statesman” by Jack Straw for abandoning his non-existent nuclear ambitions - and whose “democracy” is perfectly acceptable to us because he is on our side in the “war on terror”.

Yes, and we love King Abdullah’s unconstitutional monarchy in Jordan, and all the princes and emirs of the Gulf, especially those who are paid such vast bribes by our arms companies that even Scotland Yard has to close down its investigations on the orders of our prime minister - and yes, I can indeed see why he doesn’t like The Independent’s coverage of what he quaintly calls “the Middle East”. If only the Arabs - and the Iranians - would support our kings and shahs and princes whose sons and daughters are educated at Oxford and Harvard, how much easier the “Middle East” would be to control.

For that is what it is about - control - and that is why we hold out, and withdraw, favours from their leaders. Now Gaza belongs to Hamas, what will our own elected leaders do? Will our pontificators in the EU, the UN, Washington and Moscow now have to talk to these wretched, ungrateful people (fear not, for they will not be able to shake hands) or will they have to acknowledge the West Bank version of Palestine (Abbas, the safe pair of hands) while ignoring the elected, militarily successful Hamas in Gaza?

It’s easy, of course, to call down a curse on both their houses. But that’s what we say about the whole Middle East. If only Bashar al-Assad wasn’t President of Syria (heaven knows what the alternative would be) or if the cracked President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad wasn’t in control of Iran (even if he doesn’t actually know one end of a nuclear missile from the other).

If only Lebanon was a home-grown democracy like our own little back-lawn countries - Belgium, for example, or Luxembourg. But no, those pesky Middle Easterners vote for the wrong people, support the wrong people, love the wrong people, don’t behave like us civilised Westerners.

So what will we do? Support the reoccupation of Gaza perhaps? Certainly we will not criticise Israel. And we shall go on giving our affection to the kings and princes and unlovely presidents of the Middle East until the whole place blows up in our faces and then we shall say - as we are already saying of the Iraqis - that they don’t deserve our sacrifice and our love.

How do we deal with a coup d’?tat by an elected government?[/i]

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2663199.ece

Anybody cares to give those questions a try?

The thread says ‘Welcome to Palestine’. Are you finally admitting where you are?

I thought Hamas was a terrorist organization, what with the masks and all their other accoutrements. Not to mention their own words stating that they will, in the near future, unleash car bombings and assassinations.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19314477/

Were we supposed to parlay with them (terrorists that have taken credit for “dozens of suicide bombs in Israel in recent years”), just because they were elected?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The thread says ‘Welcome to Palestine’. Are you finally admitting where you are?[/quote]

Edit: HH, I’m surprised at you! He’s obviously a part of a sleeper cell in the UK :wink:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The thread says ‘Welcome to Palestine’. Are you finally admitting where you are?[/quote]

That’s the title of the article genius.

Does it really matter who is in power in the middle east? Whoever it is will play the same game. They use the religion to control and opress the masses, they will still condone acts of terror to accomplish their goals. With this in mind don’t you think the western world is going to support the leaders that reign the leash in a little tighter?

[quote]snipeout wrote:
Does it really matter who is in power in the middle east? Whoever it is will play the same game. They use the religion to control and opress the masses, they will still condone acts of terror to accomplish their goals. With this in mind don’t you think the western world is going to support the leaders that reign the leash in a little tighter?[/quote]

It seems the reasonable people are intimidated/outnumbered by the crazies.

More and more it seems the only solution is to let them murder each other. They are very good at it.

Don’t give support to Fatah or Hamas. In a couple generations the normal people living there will fully realize neither side is getting them anywhere.

Lixy whats your problem?

Are you some damn vegan and such a peaceful activist that you support these people.
In its most simplistic form we are just practicing the art of self-preservation, the hell with them, they want to kill us. Well I say they better do the job right the first time if not were coming after there asses.

But honestly do you really believe in peace on Earth? If you do you have a lot of growing up to do, quit being so damn naive. HH back me up.

[quote]kroby wrote:
Were we supposed to parlay with them (terrorists that have taken credit for “dozens of suicide bombs in Israel in recent years”), just because they were elected?[/quote]

Yes, US and EU should have done that.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
kroby wrote:
Were we supposed to parlay with them (terrorists that have taken credit for “dozens of suicide bombs in Israel in recent years”), just because they were elected?

Yes, US and EU should have done that. [/quote]

It would hardly have been the first time.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The thread says ‘Welcome to Palestine’. Are you finally admitting where you are?

That’s the title of the article genius.[/quote]

Nooooo!!!

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Lixy whats your problem?

Are you some damn vegan and such a peaceful activist that you support these people.
In its most simplistic form we are just practicing the art of self-preservation, the hell with them, they want to kill us. Well I say they better do the job right the first time if not were coming after there asses.

But honestly do you really believe in peace on Earth? If you do you have a lot of growing up to do, quit being so damn naive. HH back me up.[/quote]

War DOES seem to be the norm. I read somewhere that there have been something like 4,400 wars in history that we know of. There is NO morality between nations. Power is everything.

Humans seem to really get off on destruction.

Then their solution is to surrender what little intellect they have over to some mullah or creature such as that. Fascinating!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Does it really matter who is in power in the middle east? Whoever it is will play the same game. They use the religion to control and opress the masses, they will still condone acts of terror to accomplish their goals. With this in mind don’t you think the western world is going to support the leaders that reign the leash in a little tighter?

It seems the reasonable people are intimidated/outnumbered by the crazies.

More and more it seems the only solution is to let them murder each other. They are very good at it.[/quote]

I agree. Let the animals eat each other. Sure keeps those morons out of Israel’s hair and saves money on bullets. Besides, they continue to show the world their true colors, green with blood red all over it.

And when it’s over, hitting the targets where the enemy lies will be much easier. So in the end it’s a good thing.

BTW, did I say that lixy would try and find a way to blame us for that fucking mess.

[quote]orion wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
kroby wrote:
Were we supposed to parlay with them (terrorists that have taken credit for “dozens of suicide bombs in Israel in recent years”), just because they were elected?

Yes, US and EU should have done that.

It would hardly have been the first time.

[/quote]

So it should continue? Maybe that line in the sand will actually stop the US from getting involved so much. In light of recent events, I see that as a good thing.

I say carpet bomb.

It only took less than
two years for them to turn their new country into a failed state.

Now, hundreds of Palestinians wait at borders into Israel as international aid officials tried to determine how to care for them. Pathetic parasites that they are.

Who ever coined the phrase that “Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” was a genius.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Does it really matter who is in power in the middle east? Whoever it is will play the same game. They use the religion to control and opress the masses, they will still condone acts of terror to accomplish their goals. With this in mind don’t you think the western world is going to support the leaders that reign the leash in a little tighter?

It seems the reasonable people are intimidated/outnumbered by the crazies.

More and more it seems the only solution is to let them murder each other. They are very good at it.[/quote]

My sentiments exactly when I hear about yet another shooting in the US.

[quote]John S. wrote:
I say carpet bomb.[/quote]

You shouldn’t flaunt your stupidity.

On second thought, it becomes you.

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Are you some damn vegan and such a peaceful activist that you support these people. [/quote]

Can’t pack muscle being a vegan, now can I?

I’ll assume you’re American (being terrorized and all…).

How the fuck can you think that the Palestinians are a danger to you when they’re on the other side of the planet and their most advanced weaponry has virtually no range or controllability?

Sure, I do. Isn’t that what we all strive for? Or are you so disillusioned that you won’t even try?

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of this planet’s inhabitants would never support a war unless they’re in immediate danger.

Of course, the war profiteers (weapon manufacturers, military…) would do whatever they can to convince the general public that war is inevitable. And in a savage capitalistic system, those groups can acquire a heckuva lot of power.