[quote]rainjack wrote:
futuredave wrote:
And since Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, then it is NOT abolished, no matter how Paul tried to justify his teachings.
The half truth wa, you only quoted half of what Jesus said. You seem to have conveniently left off the part about him fulfilling the law.
That little omission makes a big difference. I knew the passage, I knew that you had it wrong. I was asking you to prove yourself, not asking for free research.
And wrt the Surge vs. Whey debate - I don’t think Biotest is in the theology business, nor was I asking an employee of T-Nation to find reasons for me not to like their supplement.
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Here is the quote in all the context you could wish for. In here Jesus repeatedly talks about the law and how he wants his followers follow it in their hearts, as well. THAT is the fulfillment of the law. Nowhere does he say not to follow the law.
It is no more okay for those who follow Christ’s teachings to commit adultery than it is for them not to keep kosher. At least, according to what Jesus said. That is my point.
Now, if you want to follow Paul instead of Jesus, that’s a different matter. This was the subject of great debate among early Christians. Those who were with Christ during his ministry disagreed vehemently with Paul. Paul never met Christ, but claimed to have been taken up into heaven where he was given additional revalations that Christ did not give his own disciples.
Here is a very lengthy version of the passage, which is from Jesus’ Sermon on The Mount in Matthew 5:
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Entire link is here: http://bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp
As for the research comment, no one was asking any employee of Biotest to do anything. The poster was asking the opinions of thos who had used Biotest products. If the products can’t stand up to scrutiny, then Biotest shouldn’t have a public message board. I however believe they can.