[quote]burndaddy0 wrote:
[quote]craze9 wrote:
I may get flamed for this sentiment, but I believe it’s threads like this (i.e. the thinking demonstrated in it) that are the reason the average joe has such a strong negative attitude toward AAS.
That is, that it’s shrouded in evasion and dishonesty at least, outright lies at worst. Combine that with the fact that AAS use isn’t just a small edge, but a very significant advantage (to build muscle and strength), and it creates a lot of resentment and hostility toward people who use. Even in sports where EVERYONE uses and most intelligent people realize this (witness Lance Armstrong as the scapegoat of cycling).
People like me, who don’t use but don’t have a problem with others using, especially competitive athletes, still find the principle (of dishonesty surrounding it) problematic. I understand the fact that’s illegal combines with common sense / self-interest as a good reason to not admit to AAS use, but Yogi’s suggestion, for example, means that one would basically be going through their life regularly repeating an outright lie. Maybe I’m getting too philosophical, but that strikes me as an issue.
I’ve been reading through Shadow Pro’s threads and while everything he himself says seems reasonable and on-point, it’s honestly mind-blowing to me some of the guys posting there – guys who have a physique one would think is attainable naturally but are using amounts of drugs close to an IFBB pro. Then they go to the gym and someone asks them and they say they’re natural… it just creates a lot of misinformation in the community. You can’t escape the fact that while we can all talk about “maximizing natural potential first” over and over, AAS will also be seen as an easy shortcut to a lot of people, and used for that purpose by some.
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Iwon’t flame you because I agree with you to a certain degree. The problem is with the holier than thou crowd. What constitutes cheating? Creatine, PA if it’s legal is it ok? What about TRT, cheating or leveling the playing field? There is so much grey in a black/white issue it is funny. If I can get scrip for winnie, tren and hgh is it ok? If Bonds get a designer steroid, the clear is it wrong, it was technically legal? How many people used the original MAG-10. It was a pro steroid product. It is all blurred line it is all grey and subjective.
When you say you don’t use, what exactly do you mean? You don’t use anything illegal (oh my this is a slippery slope). Do you use Whey protein and multivitamins? What exactly do you mean by don’t use? Is Using based on US law or world law?
Bottom line is what is natural???, please define. I would finally love to get an answer to this.
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Exactly!