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Was the Cop Right?

Found it on youtube

He’s a parolee and apparently he had a throwing knife visible in his hands.

Surely they could have used a taser instead of the 10 or so bullets they put in him.

That’s rather messed up then putting the handcuffs on him once his basically dead.

The description on Worldstar says this just happened, but i think it actually happened in Summer of 2011. Sorry if it was already posted before!

THe officer also shouts drop the knife before shooting him.

Shooting tens shots was totally unnecessary though.

If the guy had a weapon then the cop is justified in shooting him. I don’t see a problem with how many shots he fired. You never know how you would react unless you are actually there with the adrenaline pumping through your veins.

Uh oh these threads usually end up bad

Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck

[quote]illadelphia91 wrote:
THe officer also shouts drop the knife before shooting him.

Shooting tens shots was totally unnecessary though.[/quote]

They’re trained to fire multiple shots. It’s standard procedure.

At the moment these things with civilian people, at such a big scale, could only happen in one country in the world… It just looks awful and unbelievable - the guy is in his backyard, his mom parks a car, the guy gets out of the car… obviously, as most people in his case he wants to run into his house to hide from police, his wife and children are waiting for the husband in the house… but the husband gets ten bullets in his body… I am surprised the cop didn’t shoot the man’s wife, although as you see in the video he considered about it for a second… had it been in the dark and not in people’s own backyard the wife would have been shot as well.

The man behaved suspiciously, we all do, especially in those stressful situations… but it was miles away from any threatening behavior, and if it looked threatening then a cop should have hidden behind his car and kept giving commands until he becomes sure about the situation and man’s intentions… You can punch someone in the face and then say sorry, you can use electro shock and then say sorry… but here a lethal weapon is being used, now you cannot wake the husband and father up… The only justification for this murder would be if the man have just killed someone in front of police and still has a gun in his hands.

The states’s law should control cops’ behavior… it’s hard to blame the cop, he is just human being and reacts according to the training he has been given, and police practices used in the country, the cop knows, he will not get sentenced for killing when he is on his duty, and for him is much better to kill earlier than to wait and might possibly face a dangerous threat later.

[quote]illadelphia91 wrote:
THe officer also shouts drop the knife before shooting him.

Shooting tens shots was totally unnecessary though.[/quote]

How many is adequate, at what point is it excessive?

Seriously, it’s only unnecessary if he pauses to reload.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?

Thecop obviously knew the guy by shouting “ernie” twice.

However the guy was all hyped up and scrambling around by the car, people should know by now that doing that with American cops leads to a lot of bullets coming your way.

Also, his kids will grow up hating cops and will likely kill a one or two. The vicious cycle continues.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.

Did he have a knife? I can’t tell.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

It is not a cops responsibility to take risks like you are describing.

With that said it looked like an execution. Dude should have known that as frantic as the cop was it wasn’t a good idea to be fumbling around though. You could tell the cop knew he made a serious mistake when he couldn’t find a knife. It’s pretty messed up that he was more concerned with covering his ass than assisting the guy he just gunned down.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

It is not a cops responsibility to take risks like you are describing.

With that said it looked like an execution. Dude should have known that as frantic as the cop was it wasn’t a good idea to be fumbling around though. You could tell the cop knew he made a serious mistake when he couldn’t find a knife. It’s pretty messed up that he was more concerned with covering his ass than assisting the guy he just gunned down.[/quote]

Soooo

A cop can only go from “hey stop” to putting holes in people?

No in between?

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

If either person is using a weapon it is, by definition, no longer hand to hand.

If you look into the subject a little from a real world perspective you will find that it is far from “not hard at all” to disarm a person with a knife.

The gentleman in the photo is a police officer and, I believe, a well trained use of force instructor who went hands on with a guy with a knife while wearing body armour. Inside it’s effective range, a knife is up to 3x as lethal and much more effective than a handgun.

If you ever need to “disarm” somebody with a knife who intends to do you harm, I highly recommend that you shoot them first, if at all possible.

I have no opinion regarding the specific incident in the video. I lack the necessary information to form one.

Edit: I see the photo was removed. In retrospect it was pretty graphic.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

It is not a cops responsibility to take risks like you are describing.

With that said it looked like an execution. Dude should have known that as frantic as the cop was it wasn’t a good idea to be fumbling around though. You could tell the cop knew he made a serious mistake when he couldn’t find a knife. It’s pretty messed up that he was more concerned with covering his ass than assisting the guy he just gunned down.[/quote]

Soooo

A cop can only go from “hey stop” to putting holes in people?

No in between? [/quote]

No, I didn’t sat that. The cop was trigger happy but the other guy was a dumbass for fumbling around like he was trying to get a weapon out. He is a parole but doesn’t have enough street smarts to know that acting like you are pulling a weapon will get your ass shot? Sounds like he was destined for a short life.