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Wanted to Do Injections Instead of Cream. Don't Know What to Do Now


#1

Alright I started TRT compounding creams a while back. I honestly felt like I’m not getting much benefit from them. Before starting TRT my Total T was 200 area, with Free T being 8, and my Estrogen not registering it was so low.

So I started the compounding cream and my doctor has me at 125 mg daily. I haven’t felt too much difference but got my blood work back.

Total T is 499, Free T is 24, and Estradial is 50. Now the Estradial is way too high, and the Total T isn’t too hot either but my Free T is 24. That’s well above the normal range. I don’t see how my doctor will agree to injections when my Free T looks so good. Advice?


#2

Creams can produce more E2 than injectables, if your doctor is inflexible to injections get rid of him.


#3

Thank you. I also believe they MUST have made a mistake on my Free T levels. I was using the only calculator where it asks your SHBG (mine is 15) and Total T (mine is 499) and gave me a Free T level of 15. A lot lower than my test which puts me at 24. Not only that but I know 2 different people who had Total T in the 1200 area and had Free T in the upper 20’s. Don’t see how me at 499 could possibly have a Free T of 24


#4

Low SHBG is how.


#5

T transdermals do not create steady FT levels and your average FT is probably lower. All depends on lab timing.

What are you paying for the T creams? Self-injected T is least cost TRT and lesser T–>E2 potential with injections twice a week, subq. Smoother T levels reduce some T–>E2. Cost is a big factor.

You need anastrozole to manage E2 levels and hCG to preserve your testes and fertility if a factor.


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