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WAAAAR CYBORG! The Beast is Back!

GG to Muxlow for taking the fight at the last minute.

Rousey, watch the fuck out, 'cos the most feared fighter in WMMA is back.

Now, how about they make that catch weight fight happen? I’m sure Dana and Rousey aren’t really shitting their pants over Cris, so let’s them girls fight at 140. Cyborg is game but what about coward Rousey?

I wanna see Rousey piss blood on the canvas. I want to see Cyborg demolish and ass rape her like there’s no tomorrow. Make that fucking fight happen already!

Cyborg is back on the juice, her dick is bigger than mine now. Would be a fun fight.

eeewww.

Bwahahahahaha!! I expected comments like those above. LOL!

Yes, Cyborg’s dick is much bigger now and, Rousey would choke on it as soon as they make that catch weight fight happen.

This makes me very happy.

I think a catch weight fight is the way it gets done. Dropping ten pounds at an already conditioned 145 is not all that easy, but Rousey could lose a lot of her power going up that much.

Regards,

Robert A

Didn’t rousey start out at 145lbs, and then drop down to 135lbs because the division there in Strikeforce at the time was greater? I do see this being an obvious let’s bend the promotions thing, unless of course Santos just found a better way to juice guilt free, I have heard some idea it can be done.

Hope she times her cycle better so she won’t get caught again.

[quote]DeadKong wrote:
Didn’t rousey start out at 145lbs, and then drop down to 135lbs because the division there in Strikeforce at the time was greater? I do see this being an obvious let’s bend the promotions thing, unless of course Santos just found a better way to juice guilt free, I have heard some idea it can be done.[/quote]

Rousey only moved division after talking shit about Cyborg. She knew she was to be the next opponent after Cris destroyed Himanaka. Coward Rousey then dropped down a weight class to avoid fighting her. Very easy to call someone out to challenge you in weight class you know it’d be a struggle to make.

Rousey used to be a featherweight, she shouldn’t have any issues moving back up to 145 to fight Cyborg. I really don’t see why Cyborg needs to drop to Bantamweight so her opponent could have an added advantage over her. Catch weight is of course preferable, Santos and Ortis are up for it. Now let’s see if Dana will agree on letting his newly found cash cow and one trick pony jump on the challenge. Me think not. They don’t want Gina Carano Part 2.

As for Cyborg juicing or not juicing, I am confident she doesn’t need drugs to obliterate her opponents. She’s a beast. That in itself is enough for her to ass-rape the other girls with extreme prejudice.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]DeadKong wrote:
Didn’t rousey start out at 145lbs, and then drop down to 135lbs because the division there in Strikeforce at the time was greater? I do see this being an obvious let’s bend the promotions thing, unless of course Santos just found a better way to juice guilt free, I have heard some idea it can be done.[/quote]

Rousey only moved division after talking shit about Cyborg. She knew she was to be the next opponent after Cris destroyed Himanaka. Coward Rousey then dropped down a weight class to avoid fighting her. Very easy to call someone out to challenge you in weight class you know it’d be a struggle to make.

Rousey used to be a featherweight, she shouldn’t have any issues moving back up to 145 to fight Cyborg. I really don’t see why Cyborg needs to drop to Bantamweight so her opponent could have an added advantage over her. Catch weight is of course preferable, Santos and Ortis are up for it. Now let’s see if Dana will agree on letting his newly found cash cow and one trick pony jump on the challenge. Me think not. They don’t want Gina Carano Part 2.

As for Cyborg juicing or not juicing, I am confident she doesn’t need drugs to obliterate her opponents. She’s a beast. That in itself is enough for her to ass-rape the other girls with extreme prejudice. [/quote]

How much strength do you think Cyborg has kept since her juicing days?

Standing up, Cyborg will obliterate Rousey. Juice or no juice. So we’ll have to see how much Rousey can weather the storm of getting kneed and punched repeatedly trying to get Cyborg on the ground. Honestly haven’t watched enough of Cyborg’s fights to know what level her ground skills are. That steroid enhanced gorilla strength will no doubt help Cyborg on the ground until it gets technical. So is her ground fighting the equal of Rousey?

I understand you’re an experienced black belt in judo, so you’d know better than most. Definitely more than me when it comes to grappling.

I give it to you guys. Yes Cyborg will be very dangerous if she so much as touches ROnda’s face and I would be a very sad boy too. But, if ROusey so much as get’s her hands around her in some kind of clinch, guaranteed she will maul her to the ground, juice, 10kg heavier or whatever and she will rip her limb from her as per usual and Cyborg wont be able to do a thing about it…if she gets her to the ground … if!

[quote]humble wrote:
I give it to you guys. Yes Cyborg will be very dangerous if she so much as touches ROnda’s face and I would be a very sad boy too. But, if ROusey so much as get’s her hands around her in some kind of clinch, guaranteed she will maul her to the ground, juice, 10kg heavier or whatever and she will rip her limb from her as per usual and Cyborg wont be able to do a thing about it…if she gets her to the ground … if![/quote]

Yep, lets be honest. Rousey is a world class Judoka and armbar specialist. I know Cyborg is juiced up strong, but Rousey is world class Judoka strong. In the clinch, Rousey has it. On the ground Rousey has it. Cyborg may have success beating up Rousey, maybe even knock her out, but she’s not going to manhandle Rousey, no way in hell she’s stronger.

[quote]fnf wrote:

How much strength do you think Cyborg has kept since her juicing days?

Standing up, Cyborg will obliterate Rousey. Juice or no juice. So we’ll have to see how much Rousey can weather the storm of getting kneed and punched repeatedly trying to get Cyborg on the ground. Honestly haven’t watched enough of Cyborg’s fights to know what level her ground skills are. That steroid enhanced gorilla strength will no doubt help Cyborg on the ground until it gets technical. So is her ground fighting the equal of Rousey?

I understand you’re an experienced black belt in judo, so you’d know better than most. Definitely more than me when it comes to grappling.[/quote]

Call me biased but Cyborg is a BEAST, with or without juicing. Let’s not forget she was suspended for using a weight loss steroid. I really don’t think she’s still juicing and Shannon Knapp knows she’s taking a big risk by signing her on Invicta. I won’t be surprised if she had requested Cyborg to piss before her every single day before the fight vs Muxlow, lol.

Cyborg has a lot to lose now. She made a fucking stupid mistake and I hope she won’t be a fucking fool again. She even looked noticeable smaller in her latest fight. You don’t need steroids to pummel someone like that. The Beast/Rage mode is ingrained in her. She’s a fucking killing machine and, Rousey, will be crushed, battered and forced to piss blood if she carries on running into clinches. Tate caught her with a nice right hand when she did that. And Tate ain’t even on Santos calibre.

As for the fight, if it were to happen, Cyborg is a better striker, she’s stronger, and even if Rousey gets the clinch and takes it to the floor, Cyborg will be capable of defending against that armbar trick. I actually expect her to fight for her limb or neck, but in less subdued Fitch mode. She’s got excellent Muay Thai and BJJ skills. She still takes part in Jiu Jitsu tournaments in Brazil, I think, and her grappling is at level that Rousey has yet to encounter. So it’ll be interesting to see how they both fare on the ground against each other.

As a fellow ex-Judoka, I know it would be more advantageous for Rousey, also an experienced black belt, to keep the fight on the ground. I would also say I could see a quick submission from Rousey – don’t get me started on Black belt Judokas vs Purple belt JJ – but I’m biased. Cyborg may not have the same ground skills as Rousey but she is fucking strong. I’d also remind you that Rousey had a bit of scare vs Carmouche on the ground. So she ain’t that invincible. Anything can happen. I’d love her to panic and lose her train of thoughts as to where and how to apply the next choke or lock while her head or ribs gets ruthlessly pounded by Cyborg’s vicious fists and knees.

The odds of Rousey winning with an armbar against the Beast? 0. ZERO. NIL. She has no chance. Besides, her striking and boxing combos are so poor, so fucking laughable that I’m confident she will be pummelled into a coma before that happens. The ref won’t even get the chance to jump in for a stoppage.

Cyborg has a bronze medal from ADCC in 2009.

She won the purple division at the Worlds for BJJ in 2011 and 2012.

I have no idea where that puts her vs Rousey’s ne-waza, but at least on paper Chris Cyborg is a whole different problem to solve than Carmouche.

Having said that Cyborg’s take down defense, like most of the vintage chute box crew, isn’t exactly steller, and if Gina could dump her I think Rousey can. Of course Rousey still tends to wade through punches to get her clinch, and we have a ton of Pride footage of what happens when a judoka tries to do that against vintage chute box.

I really want the fight to happen. I think the longer it is put off, the better Rousey’s chances. She will continue to get better, and richer fighting others. Cyborg’s earning potential without the UFC/Rousey just isn’t there. Invicta isn’t the same pay check as Rousey will get, and that could translate into better coaching/training camps.

I am still in the Cyborg Camp.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:
the vintage chute box crew[/quote]

Could someone please explain the term to me?

He’s talking about Wanderlei, Shogun, and Anderson Silva fights in Pride. Those three and several others, like Thiago Silva and Gabriel Gonzaga, trained together at Chute Box Academy in their earlier days.

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
He’s talking about Wanderlei, Shogun, and Anderson Silva fights in Pride. Those three and several others, like Thiago Silva and Gabriel Gonzaga, trained together at Chute Box Academy in their earlier days.[/quote]

Ah. Cheers. It’s actually Chute Boxe which is probably why googling it lead nowhere.

Is all forgiven in regards to her taking AAS and beating up on women? I mean everyone is against fallon fox but I would say a chute box roided up female would break fallon fox within two rounds. Once a female takes AAS won’t she have a continuing advantage in terms of musculature and strength? Seems really unfair she is allowed to fight again. I don’t see how she won’t have an advantage that carries on to this day.

I am surprised people want to see her fight still. It is one thing for a male fighter to take performance enhancing drugs but when a woman does, is that not morally equivalent to a man beating up girls weighing under a buck fifty?

[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
He’s talking about Wanderlei, Shogun, and Anderson Silva fights in Pride. Those three and several others, like Thiago Silva and Gabriel Gonzaga, trained together at Chute Box Academy in their earlier days.[/quote]

Ah. Cheers. It’s actually Chute Boxe which is probably why googling it lead nowhere.[/quote]

Sorry about that.

I am also thinking of the stand straight up and throw multiple, looping punches, then clinch and knee when the opponent tries for a takedown style that Wanderlei and Shogun used so many times in pride.

I think it was KaiserMetal who called Cyborg “Vintage Wanderlei, in a wig” and I think it sort of fits style wise.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
It is one thing for a male fighter to take performance enhancing drugs but when a woman does, is that not morally equivalent to a man beating up girls weighing under a buck fifty?[/quote]

Well, I am not passing a moral judgement on the relative “wrongness” of men vs woman using banned PED’s vs non-banned substances.

Also, given that both Rousey and Chis “Cyborg” are consenting adults I am willing to go pretty far in the “bought the ticket, take the ride” train of thought. Rousey was an Olympic Athlete, and her I have heard/read it multiple times that there are no truly “clean” medalists at the Olympics. I am not accusing her, but I am going to put it out there that if nothing more, she is already used to, and willing to, compete on field against “enhanced” athletes.

Santos’s physique is great, but honestly, I don’t so much think it is “impossible” as it is indication of any athlete that trains the way she does, for as long as she has. She both looks like, and fights like, a dedicated combat athlete.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
It is one thing for a male fighter to take performance enhancing drugs but when a woman does, is that not morally equivalent to a man beating up girls weighing under a buck fifty?[/quote]

Well, I am not passing a moral judgement on the relative “wrongness” of men vs woman using banned PED’s vs non-banned substances.

Also, given that both Rousey and Chis “Cyborg” are consenting adults I am willing to go pretty far in the “bought the ticket, take the ride” train of thought. Rousey was an Olympic Athlete, and her I have heard/read it multiple times that there are no truly “clean” medalists at the Olympics. I am not accusing her, but I am going to put it out there that if nothing more, she is already used to, and willing to, compete on field against “enhanced” athletes.

Santos’s physique is great, but honestly, I don’t so much think it is “impossible” as it is indication of any athlete that trains the way she does, for as long as she has. She both looks like, and fights like, a dedicated combat athlete.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I am not very knowledgeable on the subject, I was basing my stance on an interview by “Dr Steve” on the Joe Rogan podcast. He says that it is impossible for a woman to go from what she was to is without steroids. The dude is a medical professional, was an Olympic medalist i believe and seemed quite informed, however I am hardly in a position to know who is right or wrong on the issue having never taking AAS or read up on it much, other than some basic stuff.

The pictures of her at the start of her career v now hints to steroids being the only way to change that much as a woman. She was already a seasoned fighter in the fght she got double knee barred wasn’t she? She looks so different there, in shape but feminine. Her jaw seems to of gotten much bigger too.