Bill Roberts wrote:
Your approach is good. I prefer it to simply running the enanthate for the 8 weeks but it is one of those things that for user convenience, availability, and other reasons I’ve never pushed on anyone.
The advantage is that you’re able to keep levels high up almost right to (just a few days away from) the point where levels are allowing recovery, rather than having more extended time with declining levels yet still no hope of recovery beginning.
However, that latter disadvantage can be largely or entirely corrected for by compensating with increased use of orals.
I prefer counting cycle length according to time suppressed. So for an 8 week (by this standard) cycle with enanthate, depending on the dose used the last injection might be at the end of week 6. It can still be 8 weeks of full effectiveness with the compensating-with-orals appoach.
With propionate the same cycle length – in terms of time at suppressive levels – can maintain the desired T levels for considerably longer before having to discontinue.
But inasmuch as enanthate is cheaper and more convenient, doing a mixed approach with enanthate for the beginning and middle and propionate for the end can be preferred for those reasons over using propionate throughout.
(Note: some would probably choose to compare injecting enanthate for 8 weeks to injecting propionate for 8 weeks but this is not an equal comparison, because time of being suppressed is considerably longer in the first case, if a frontload is used then the total injected amount is also greater in the first case, etc. If you want to compare injecting 8 weeks of enanthate to something, it should be to injecting say 9.5 weeks of propionate.)
Brilliant Bill. I mean intuitively I knew this, but you spelled it out really well. Your advice sounds really solid. I probably will change my cycle due to your advice.
FYI: I know the post is asks about prop, but I probably will use enth and orals now. I’m thinking some combo of test enanthate, finishing with dbol. I also have proviron on hand, arimidex, and nolva.
How does this front loaded test enth cycle sound?
Enth (W1-6 ~900mg first injection then 250mg E3D),
Proviron (W1-8 25mg 2X/D)
DBol (W5-8 10mg 3X/D)
Arim (W3-8 .25mg/D)
Nolva (W9-12 40/40/20/20)
That looks great to me. Some small optimizations:
- Enanthate frontload on 1st inject: 670 mg not 900 mg
Frontload = (weekly mg * half life / days per week) + interval dose
Your case: (583 * 5 / 7) + 250 = 670mg
Adex: I would raise the amount to around 0.5mg/d while on Enanthate & dbol. From experience E2 buildup and sensitive nipples are greater from this combo but can be effectively managed with the appropriate dose of AI.
Nolva: You might want to wait 3 Test E half lives before starting. 1st half life 291mg serum level remaining, 2nd half life 145.5mg serum level remaining, 3rd half life 72.75mg serum level remaining. Half life for our purposes is 5 days so wait 15-16 days before starting Nolva.
Nolva frontload: 140mg on day1 in split doses throughout day (I forgot to mention that in prior post). This will assure good absorption.
Nolva: If frontloaded, it is not necessary to do 40/40/20/20 instead do 20/20/20/20 since blood level will be effective from day 1.
(Credit to Bill Roberts as my info was gleaned from his prolific writing)