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Very Low Body Temperature


#1

Hey Guys,

To get to the point, my morning body temperature seems to be ridiculously low.

A little bit about myself:

Male
Age:24
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 205
Body fat: 9-10%
Years training: around 8.

My low temperature was first made aware to me around 1.5 years ago when I went for a surgery, the nurse just said my body temperature was very low, she informed the surgeon but he didn't seem to think it was a problem and proceeded with the surgery successfully (hernia).
About a week ago I decided to take my morning temp for shits and giggles. Here are the results:

Day 1: 96.8
Day 2: 95.7
Day 3: 95.9
Day 4: 96.2
Day 5: 96.1
Day 6: 96.1

This seems pretty low to me & would indicate hypothyroidism however the strange thing is I seem to have the fastest metabolism in the world, I can eat literally anything and not gain a gram of fat. I would honestly say I've never been above 12% BF in my life.

The second strange thing is that I never really feel cold, in fact previous girlfriends have complained about me opening the windows in the middle of winter and being a "furnace".

Testosterone levels seem ok, but difficult to say without a blood test (never had my hormones tested yet). Sex drive seems diminished during the week, I would say mostly due to time restrictions, but compensates on the weekend when I have plenty of time.

Morning erections are infrequent when I wake to my alarm but rock solid when I wake in the middle of the night.

Body hair: extremely hairy arms and legs, pretty hairy chest & stomach, facial hair is moderate.
Sweating: I sweat like nobody I've ever seen, I'm talking not one dry patch on my clothes after a workout and having to strain them in the sink several times, completely saturated. Most workouts I can't even get the chalk to cling to my hands.
Stress: This is something of a problem... I am very prone to getting stressed out at work & with my personal issues, I would say this possibly contributes to the low temp.

Diet: My main meals are all pretty healthy, eggs, bacon & porridge for breakfast, meat & veg for lunch, meat & veg for dinner. Tons of Broccoli (actually addicted to it LOL). In between I will usually tuck into sandwiches. Unfortunately I have a bad sweet tooth and will eat sweets, cakes & chocolate by the bucket load probably everyday, not a good thing & something I've been trying to cut back on.

As mentioned I haven't had a hormone panel done yet as I only started taking my temps a week ago. Unfortunately visiting a doctor is fucking impossible here, I will try my best.

This is extremely confusing to me, how can I have such a low temperature yet have none of the symptoms?? I would be very grateful to anyone who can help me out here.
Thank you.


#2

You should do these labs:
TT
FT
E2
TSH
fT3
fT4
Do not do T3, T4, levels bound to globulin are really not of interest.

T3 controls body temperature. That in turn regulates the mitochondrial that control your metabolic rate and creation of the energy source that powers your cells.

I always look for iodine deficiencies as these are a very common problem in the last few decades. See the thyroid basics sticky.

Does your neck appear thick around your larynx? Doc palpates? Do not do labs soon after that as lab levels will be skewed for a couple of days.

You may have a genetic variation that affects your metabolic rate. AB normal ;}

Verify that thermometer delivers expected temperatures with someone else.

Canadian?
SW Ontario?
Shouldice for hernia surgery?


#3

Thanks for the detailed reply.
I will work on getting a hormone panel done ASAP, however this seems to be a difficult task here… I’m an expat in the Netherlands & the health system is fucking ridiculous. I’ve called to several doctors clinics only to be told that they’re “full and not taking any more patients”, I’ve received this response from every clinic I’ve tried!! What the hell do sick people do here! Just die?

Anyway, I just finished reading the thyroid sticky, what a great resource! I think an iodine deficiency is a huge possibility and will try supplementing. However I have read conflicting articles on the dosage, some studies have shown that taking over 2mg a day will CAUSE hypothyroidism, others like yourself say up to 60mg a day is safe when replenishing your levels, I think I will play it safe & see how I respond to 1mg a day & adjust the dosage accordingly. If my temperature does not go up then I will try 2mg, 3mg etc. Thoughts?

To answer your question, yes my neck is quite thick & “bony” around my larynx, another clue to a deficiency.
I live alone so don’t have anyone to test my thermometer on. I have tried another thermometer & have gotten similar low readings.
Once again I am really confused & surprised by all this. My body functions all seem fine would even indicate hyperthyroidism, but who knows maybe I’m missing out on a ton of testosterone that’s up for grabs!
Thanks again, I will let you know how I fare out.


#4

I have the same thing.
Low body temps right around yours, but I feel hot all the time.
Can’t sleep with a blanket until it’s frozen outside.
Last Bloodwork my TSH was 2.01, but I didn’t get Ft4 Ft3 #'s.

Going to order up some bloodwork in the next couple weeks and
we can compare notes when you get your #'s.


#5

I was reading something a while ago that listed heat intolerance as a symptom of thyroid problems but really did not properly “mentally file” the info. You can see what google can provide on that.

50mg/day is not something that I came up with, I just pass on what is widely suggested and practiced in several thyroid WWW sites.

The iodine issue re causing problems is quite complex. It is an issue of an auto immune condition and it seems to not be a cause but discloses an underlying issue that some think would be surfacing at some point anyways. So it would seem to bring these events forward. This was seen when iodized salt was introduced to a population for the first time.

IR can also depress TSH temporarily and perhaps that is what gets into the rumor mill. Have to point out that if that happened to me, my body temperatures recovered and I also feel a lot better. So then, what is the bottom line? - certainly the story is more than a decrease in TSH


#6

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#7

[quote]KSman wrote:
I was reading something a while ago that listed heat intolerance as a symptom of thyroid problems but really did not properly “mentally file” the info. You can see what google can provide on that.

50mg/day is not something that I came up with, I just pass on what is widely suggested and practiced in several thyroid WWW sites.

The iodine issue re causing problems is quite complex. It is an issue of an auto immune condition and it seems to not be a cause but discloses an underlying issue that some think would be surfacing at some point anyways. So it would seem to bring these events forward. This was seen when iodized salt was introduced to a population for the first time.

IR can also depress TSH temporarily and perhaps that is what gets into the rumor mill. Have to point out that if that happened to me, my body temperatures recovered and I also feel a lot better. So then, what is the bottom line? - certainly the story is more than a decrease in TSH

[/quote]
Listen To This BASTARD. This KSMan Bastard really know’s his stuff.Just joking Mr.Man johnny


#8

[quote]KSman wrote:
I was reading something a while ago that listed heat intolerance as a symptom of thyroid problems but really did not properly “mentally file” the info. You can see what google can provide on that.

50mg/day is not something that I came up with, I just pass on what is widely suggested and practiced in several thyroid WWW sites.

The iodine issue re causing problems is quite complex. It is an issue of an auto immune condition and it seems to not be a cause but discloses an underlying issue that some think would be surfacing at some point anyways. So it would seem to bring these events forward. This was seen when iodized salt was introduced to a population for the first time.

IR can also depress TSH temporarily and perhaps that is what gets into the rumor mill. Have to point out that if that happened to me, my body temperatures recovered and I also feel a lot better. So then, what is the bottom line? - certainly the story is more than a decrease in TSH

[/quote]

Thanks KSman.
So if I understand you, responding negatively to high dose iodine is a sign of another underlying problem?
Do you think that extreme sweating without adequate salt intake can lead to an iodine deficiency?
Anyway, I will definitely try the iodine & report back with results.


#9

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Hey You BASTARD. REmember the Steinfield Eposode where George took out those baseball scout’s and every word of of there mouth’s was this,or that BASTARD!!! I laughed MY ASS_OFF I like your NAME YOU: BASTARD LOL all the best johnny[/quote]

HAHAHA! Glad you enjoyed the name. Caps & space between each letter to really emphasise what a bastard I am!


#10

[quote]PKNY wrote:
I have the same thing.
Low body temps right around yours, but I feel hot all the time.
Can’t sleep with a blanket until it’s frozen outside.
Last Bloodwork my TSH was 2.01, but I didn’t get Ft4 Ft3 #'s.

Going to order up some bloodwork in the next couple weeks and
we can compare notes when you get your #'s.

[/quote]

Strange isn’t it?
Agreed, it will be interesting to compare & find the root of this problem.
Have you tried iodine supplementation yet?


#11

I used to take iodoral, but I never felt any different.
About a month ago I picked up a cpl bottles of Lugols iodine and started with 3mg per day.
It F’d me up big time. Killed my sex drive and I felt somewhat depressed.
I stopped and three days later I was fine.

Put 1 drop into some pizza dough I was making the next week and felt like shit again.
YMMY


#12

So all of the iodine deficient guys should do nothing at all. Is that PKNY’s contribution to the world? And he says “I stopped and three days later I was fine.” Well that was really horrible! Or do we have a bad batch of Lugol’s?

PKNY, can you provide some positive guidance so I do not need to do detailed damage control. You are in this post for the OP’s benefit, not your own.

Take some iodine and see if you feel better. Start with smaller amounts and see if it agrees with your self. Results for some Canadians may vary. [where did he go?]

Note that some have picked up a load of bromines that interfere with iodine processes. Doing IR, the iodine can displace the bromine and you feel crappy as you piss it out. Bromine stinks and one guy reported that his wife/GF said that he smelled like rotten fish. So we cannot conclude that all negative events are bad as they can be part of ones restoration of normal iodine status.


#13

[quote]KSman wrote:
So all of the iodine deficient guys should do nothing at all. Is that PKNY’s contribution to the world? And he says “I stopped and three days later I was fine.” Well that was really horrible! Or do we have a bad batch of Lugol’s?

PKNY, can you provide some positive guidance so I do not need to do detailed damage control. You are in this post for the OP’s benefit, not your own.

Holy E2 ks-WO-man.
If you happened to read the thread you would see that I share symptoms with the OP.
As such, I related my experiences with Iodoral and Lugol’s, AND I mentioned that his
mileage may vary with iodine. At no point did I say IR is message board quackery, or discourage anyone from it’s use. I further offered that I would get new bloodwork
so that I would have reference points WRT ft3 ft4 to start from, and that the OP
and I could compare #'s in an effort to figure out an issue we both have.

I respect your opinion, but abrasive dickheaded comments like
"Is that PKNY’s contribution to the world?" aren’t constructive
in anyway.


#14

Thought I would update:

My iodine (kelp) arrived and I have been taking 900mcg a day combined with plenty of iodised salt on my dinner, giving me an estimated intake of around 1.2mg a day. I have been following this for 3 days:

The first night I had a very vivid wet dream! Woke a couple of times in the night as well with some rock hard wood. Nocturnal erections seem to have increased.
I also think I feel really warm during the day, quite warmer than I usually feel, morning temperatures have increased insignificantly by 0.2 degrees.

Overall too early to judge so far. Nothing negative at least.
I will stick with this conservative dose for a week, if no significant morning temp increase then I will up it to 2mg for a week, 3mg for a week, 4mg etc.


#15

[quote]B A S T A R D wrote:

[quote]KSman wrote:
I was reading something a while ago that listed heat intolerance as a symptom of thyroid problems but really did not properly “mentally file” the info. You can see what google can provide on that.

50mg/day is not something that I came up with, I just pass on what is widely suggested and practiced in several thyroid WWW sites.

The iodine issue re causing problems is quite complex. It is an issue of an auto immune condition and it seems to not be a cause but discloses an underlying issue that some think would be surfacing at some point anyways. So it would seem to bring these events forward. This was seen when iodized salt was introduced to a population for the first time.

IR can also depress TSH temporarily and perhaps that is what gets into the rumor mill. Have to point out that if that happened to me, my body temperatures recovered and I also feel a lot better. So then, what is the bottom line? - certainly the story is more than a decrease in TSH

[/quote]

Thanks KSman.
So if I understand you, responding negatively to high dose iodine is a sign of another underlying problem?
Do you think that extreme sweating without adequate salt intake can lead to an iodine deficiency?
Anyway, I will definitely try the iodine & report back with results.[/quote]

As I discovered while doing IR, it can also cause a crash in that your adrenals cannot handle the output. I am a low temp, constantly feeling hot, very sweaty person. At 50mg/day I hit a 4 day time frame where my temps were good, I felt great, lots of energy, and my sweating was NORMAL. But then I crashed and crashed hard. Now the slightest bit of nervousness will drench me in sweat and my heart will race. I attribute this to an adrenal crash.

Game plan, for me, is to add in a different iodine (cheaper) in Lugol’s 5% and make sure I am taking adrenal support supplements. I have some Vit C, Pantothenic Acid, B-100 complex, and B12 methyl. I may incorporate adrenal cortex supplements as well.

I felt better for those 4 days that I have in probably 8 years so I know how I CAN feel. Now I just have to figure out how to get back there…


#16

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]B A S T A R D wrote:

[quote]KSman wrote:
I was reading something a while ago that listed heat intolerance as a symptom of thyroid problems but really did not properly “mentally file” the info. You can see what google can provide on that.

50mg/day is not something that I came up with, I just pass on what is widely suggested and practiced in several thyroid WWW sites.

The iodine issue re causing problems is quite complex. It is an issue of an auto immune condition and it seems to not be a cause but discloses an underlying issue that some think would be surfacing at some point anyways. So it would seem to bring these events forward. This was seen when iodized salt was introduced to a population for the first time.

IR can also depress TSH temporarily and perhaps that is what gets into the rumor mill. Have to point out that if that happened to me, my body temperatures recovered and I also feel a lot better. So then, what is the bottom line? - certainly the story is more than a decrease in TSH

[/quote]

Thanks KSman.
So if I understand you, responding negatively to high dose iodine is a sign of another underlying problem?
Do you think that extreme sweating without adequate salt intake can lead to an iodine deficiency?
Anyway, I will definitely try the iodine & report back with results.[/quote]

As I discovered while doing IR, it can also cause a crash in that your adrenals cannot handle the output. I am a low temp, constantly feeling hot, very sweaty person. At 50mg/day I hit a 4 day time frame where my temps were good, I felt great, lots of energy, and my sweating was NORMAL. But then I crashed and crashed hard. Now the slightest bit of nervousness will drench me in sweat and my heart will race. I attribute this to an adrenal crash.

Game plan, for me, is to add in a different iodine (cheaper) in Lugol’s 5% and make sure I am taking adrenal support supplements. I have some Vit C, Pantothenic Acid, B-100 complex, and B12 methyl. I may incorporate adrenal cortex supplements as well.

I felt better for those 4 days that I have in probably 8 years so I know how I CAN feel. Now I just have to figure out how to get back there…[/quote]

50mg is a lot! Have you tried gradually increasing the dose to find your sweet spot? In my opinion it seems that if your thyroid is fucked up for years & then suddenly it gets a massive kick start then the other systems may go “holy shit” & crash. I have read about a couple of stories similar to your situation, that’s why I’m being extremely conservative & patient with dosage.

I’m the same as you with the nervousness, slight anxiety & I’m saturated, extreme blushing & pounding heart, it sucks! I think that heavy weightlifting can contribute to this, the adrenals adapt & grow in response to max effort attempts thus producing more & more adrenaline, even in situations that require a very mild adrenaline rush… such as giving a speech or something. I remember Ivan Abadjiev saying this in a lecture. Who knows!


#17

A little bit of a late response but from what I’ve been reading if you are deficient in selenium(many are) it will cause a big negative effect with high dosages of iodine. Selenium is in the enzymes that convert T4 to T3 and T3 is really the hormone that you are looking for. Im wondering if the feeling great then crashing could be when you deplete your selenium stores(just a theory). 50mg of iodine as a supplement seems way over the top, havent seen any normal human populations that consume that quantity.


#18

Hey BASTARD
Any updates wrt the iodine replacement and body temps etc ?


#19

Funny I can make the OP’s words exactly mine, except the sweating part, I think I sweat what is normal (but never really compared with anyone haha).
Never put on much fat, girlfriends nickname me “heater”, I start getting irritated and feel really hot when temps approach 27C and up (good thing it gets to 40C around here sometimes). My libido is very erratic, I can get erections if I “want”, but rarely have morning wood and can’t remember last time I really felt like jumping a girl.

Other symptons are sometimes trouble concentrating, a bit of brain fog, very weird diffuse hair loss( not pattern at all), vision in left eye half of right eye (dont know if related).
I usually feel better when regularly taking probiotics (bio-kult, even if just 1 pill a day - 2 billion CFU), and did notice positive changes when switching from a multivitamin with calcium to one without (again, not sure if any relation).

My morning temp today was a ridiculous 35.5C (95.9) and 5 min later 35.8C (96.4) . I track my morning heart rate too and it was 52 per minute (baseline seems to be closer to 55, so I doubt its overtraining/stress) Will take again in 3 h, and get blood work ASAP.

PS: When I was a kid I remember my doc sometimes giving me iodine supplementation
PPS: live 20min walk from ocean, maybe I can just drink iodine from a straw


#20

[quote]lcsilva wrote:
Funny I can make the OP’s words exactly mine, except the sweating part, I think I sweat what is normal (but never really compared with anyone haha).
Never put on much fat, girlfriends nickname me “heater”, I start getting irritated and feel really hot when temps approach 27Ã?ºC and up (good thing it gets to 40Ã?ºC around here sometimes). My libido is very erratic, I can get erections if I “want”, but rarely have morning wood and can’t remember last time I really felt like jumping a girl.

Other symptons are sometimes trouble concentrating, a bit of brain fog, very weird diffuse hair loss( not pattern at all), vision in left eye half of right eye (dont know if related).
I usually feel better when regularly taking probiotics (bio-kult, even if just 1 pill a day - 2 billion CFU), and did notice positive changes when switching from a multivitamin with calcium to one without (again, not sure if any relation).

My morning temp today was a ridiculous 35.5�º (95.9) and 5 min later 35.8�º (96.4) . I track my morning heart rate too and it was 52 per minute (baseline seems to be closer to 55, so I doubt its overtraining/stress) Will take again in 3 h, and get blood work ASAP.

PS: When I was a kid I remember my doc sometimes giving me iodine supplementation
PPS: live 20min walk from ocean, maybe I can just drink iodine from a straw[/quote]

*** All of this sounds oddly familiar. As in hormonal imbalance which usually comes from obesity, which inhibits production of testosterone.