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Venezuela Food Shortages

Counter revolutionist and reactionaries conspire against the Venezuelan people!

Capitalist greed cripples production!

The bourgeoise capitalists, these “Vaterlandslose Gesellen”, not patriotic enough to put their countries needs above their own!

More state intervention needed!

[quote]orion wrote:
Counter revolutionist and reactionaries conspire against the Venezuelan people!

Capitalist greed cripples production!

The bourgeoise capitalists, these “Vaterlandslose Gesellen”, not patriotic enough to put their countries needs above their own!

More state intervention needed!

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A good read which clearly shows the outright evil of socialism…that capitalists are not ‘patriotic enough’ to work at a loss. Good post!

I’m still fascinated with the whole “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Who decides if someone is working up to his ability? Who decides what a person’s needs are? What are the consequences if someone doesn’t WANT to work up to their ability? What if I had an IQ of 180 and wanted to drive a truck? Do I get put in a concentration camp?

Amazing that a few moments of thought show how insane socialism is.

From Wiki:

“While the Venezuelan Government enjoys a windfall of oil profits, the business environment is risky and discourages investment, according to El Universal. As measured by prices on local stock exchanges, investors are willing to pay on average 16.3 years worth of earnings to invest in Colombian companies, 15.9 in Chile, 11.1 in Mexico, and 10.7 in Brazil, but only 5.8 in Venezuela. The World Economic Forum ranked Venezuela as 82 out of 102 countries on a measure of how favorable investment is for institutions.”

Shocking! No one will put their money at risk for the Bandit-in-Charge to confiscate?!!! How unpatriotic!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Counter revolutionist and reactionaries conspire against the Venezuelan people!

Capitalist greed cripples production!

The bourgeoise capitalists, these “Vaterlandslose Gesellen”, not patriotic enough to put their countries needs above their own!

More state intervention needed!

A good read which clearly shows the outright evil of socialism…that capitalists are not ‘patriotic enough’ to work at a loss. Good post!

I’m still fascinated with the whole “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Who decides if someone is working up to his ability? Who decides what a person’s needs are? What are the consequences if someone doesn’t WANT to work up to their ability? What if I had an IQ of 180 and wanted to drive a truck? Do I get put in a concentration camp?

Amazing that a few moments of thought show how insane socialism is.

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I wouldn’t say socialism is purely evil, to be fair that argument can be said for capitalism too.

Too much government intervention is definitely the problem though. For an example of a similar problem take a look at our own farming subsidies. Farmers getting paid just to plant crops of a certain kind?

But back to the Venezuelan problem. The price controls on their food items kill almost any incentive producers have of keep a solid supply. It is in their best interests to have a shortage to drive up demand and get the actual value for their goods.

The problem is now that the average person loses out due to the actions of both the government and the private sector. This leads to the government blaming the private sector and vice versa, and we all know who the average Venezuelan likes more.

In the end they are simply playing into the government’s hands and allowing themselves to be next in line for being taken over by Chavez’s goons.

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

[quote]Ren wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.[/quote]

If he plays the next card. i.e. nationalising fodd production the result will mass starvation like in Russia and China. with noone left to blame but himself.

[quote]orion wrote:
Ren wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

If he plays the next card. i.e. nationalising fodd production the result will mass starvation like in Russia and China. with noone left to blame but himself.[/quote]

And the Yankee Imperialists…

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.

[quote]entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.[/quote]

Roman dictators were elected.

[quote]orion wrote:
entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.

Roman dictators were elected. [/quote]
Why can’t American leaders just leave elected leaders from democratic governments alone. Why are they always speaking about how they encourage democracy, while at the same time trying to overthrow leaders who are in fact democratically elected?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0304-20.htm

[quote]Skystud wrote:
orion wrote:
entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.

Roman dictators were elected.
Why can’t American leaders just leave elected leaders from democratic governments alone. Why are they always speaking about how they encourage democracy, while at the same time trying to overthrow leaders who are in fact democratically elected?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0304-20.htm
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I`d go with hypocrisy.

That does not change the fact that Chavez managed to produce food shortages in a country that swims in oil.

This should come as no surprise. Chavez promised to make Venezuela “…like the happy people of Cuba”. The Cubans are obviously happy to starve. Maybe because they can claim they don’t have an obesity problem. This is right one par with Chavez’s plan. You take away, then ration out just enough to keep the peace.

[quote]entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.[/quote]

Venezuela, like most South American countries, is awash in corruption. Don’t believe for a second that any election there is legit. No I don’t have proof, but there is not proof otherwise either. I can assure you that this govenment is not more legit that the last one or the one before that. Chavez is in power because he has the army behind him. They are not starving.

[quote]Skystud wrote:
orion wrote:
entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.

Roman dictators were elected.
Why can’t American leaders just leave elected leaders from democratic governments alone. Why are they always speaking about how they encourage democracy, while at the same time trying to overthrow leaders who are in fact democratically elected?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0304-20.htm
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What if the ‘elected leader’ decided to confiscate your hard-earned savings which you (foolishly) had invested in his country? Now multiply this by a lot of foreign investors.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Skystud wrote:
orion wrote:
entheogens wrote:

As bad of a leader as we know he is, Chavez does know how to play his cards right, upcoming dictators need to take notes from this guy.

Like him or not, I do believe that he was elected and has not disbanded the electoral system. Am I wrong? Therefore, he’s not a dictator.

Roman dictators were elected.
Why can’t American leaders just leave elected leaders from democratic governments alone. Why are they always speaking about how they encourage democracy, while at the same time trying to overthrow leaders who are in fact democratically elected?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0304-20.htm

What if the ‘elected leader’ decided to confiscate your hard-earned savings which you (foolishly) had invested in his country? Now multiply this by a lot of foreign investors.

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habius corpus

buyer beware

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Don’t believe for a second that any election there is legit. No I don’t have proof, but there is not proof otherwise either. [/quote]

Must be kidding me!

Look at the numerous international polls that closely correlate with what came out of the ballots.

And how about the international observers?

There were 140 European observers sent by EU, and by their account, the elections were as transparent as they could come.

Let’s see you have international observers in the US, or get a candidate elected by 63%. By those standards, the elections in Venezuela have more international legitimacy than the ones in the US.

http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2639.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1021-01.htm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What if the ‘elected leader’ decided to confiscate your hard-earned savings which you (foolishly) had invested in his country? Now multiply this by a lot of foreign investors.
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Did he confiscate your hard-earned savings? I was unaware of that. Please reference your claims.

I believe Pat is from Cuba. He knows a little about scumbag dictators and rigged elections.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This should come as no surprise. Chavez promised to make Venezuela “…like the happy people of Cuba”. The Cubans are obviously happy to starve. Maybe because they can claim they don’t have an obesity problem. This is right one par with Chavez’s plan. You take away, then ration out just enough to keep the peace.[/quote]

You forgot to mention how totally AWESOME the Cuban Health Care System is. So they get the best care for their starvation.

[quote]Valentinius wrote:
You forgot to mention how totally AWESOME the Cuban Health Care System is. So they get the best care for their starvation.[/quote]

Maybe they could eat a few doctors to restore balance?

Chavez recently was “awarded” the right to enact ANY law by presidential decree for 1.5 years without hope of appeal.

How is this not a dictator?