It sounds like you are programming people to have tunnel vision and not be responsive to their environment in a fight. Two of the very worst things you can do in martial arts. I know Texas is a big state but it isn’t the entire world. What you can get away with in Texas can put you in jail for life in the other 49 states and other countries. If you ever plan on traveling outside of Texas you probably don’t want to be a programmed, mindless, killer.
What I was taught by a lawyer and some cops is you use force proportionate to the percieved threat. If your response is disproportionate to the threat that is when you open yourself up to legal problems. Not every confrontation is going to be life or death. Or the circumstances may not be cut and dry in your favor. You might get a witness who didn’t see someone attack you, all they might have seen is you beat that person to death while they begged you to stop.
What you are teaching your students can also expose YOU to legal liabilities. If one of your students beats someone to death while people are begging them to stop and that is what you are teaching people to do, you could end up in trouble.
i don’t thnik that’s what she’s saying…this is from her post:
I’ve told my students to only stop for two things: 1 - the threat is neutralized & they can escape to safety or 2 - the cops have arrived & they are the ones telling you to stop.
I understand what she wrote. So…
#1 I’ve been a real fight where a guy had to tackle me off of his best friend. Because of tunnel vision I didn’t pay enough attention to the guy who tackled me. If he hadn’t stopped me when he did I might have had some explaining to do because I got a little excited beating on his boy.
#2 When the cops arrive it doesn’t look good if you continue to beat on someone instead of trying to get away from them.
okay, she covered these points in her post, so you’re not paying attention to what she wrote. she knows what she’s doing in her teaching, she was just looking for some additional points to make to her students. and obviously i know what it looks like when the cops respond, since that’s what i do.[/quote]
So let me see if I have this right. Let’s say you are called out to deal with a fight. When you arrive one of the combatants reacts to your arrival by trying to get away from his assailant and defend himself from attack. While the other combatant completely ignores you, aggressively pursues his opponent and doesn’t stop until you have to intervene. Would you really treat the more aggressive, more aggitated combatant just the same as the more defensive calmer one?
I could be wrong in my impressions but whenever I watch COPS on TV it always seems to me like the person who is acting the wildest when the cops arrive is the one they put in handcuffs first while saying something nice and reassuring like “this is for your safety” and usually he is the one who goes to jail. While the one who acts the calmest and most civilized around the police gets to stay with the trailer.
My worldview is that when dealing with the police it is beneficial to be calm and act as civilized as possible. I can’t imagine that you would disagree with that view but if you have a different view I am willing to learn.
so to cover #1 and #2:
she stated, that she teaches her students to engage the threat and escape as soon as safely possible, not to do what you did in #1.[/quote]
In theory that sounds nice. But in reality it is not too difficult to get excited and carried away.
and she stated that she teaches her students to repsond to law enforcement, so not to do what you said in #2. [/quote]
She said that she teaches her students not to stop until the police have actually been forced to intervene to get them stopped.
I don’t think such behaviour is going to help the student when they try to explain that they weren’t the aggressor. Then the other guy can say to the cops you saw how aggressive he was when you arrived he wouldn’t stop, the guy is nuts, he started the fight. Who would you believe? The aggressive one or the one is getting beat up?
okay, with all your countering and naysaying, what do you suggest she teach? don’t fight back??
this is the combat forum, full of people that trian martial arts, but i guarantee most of them have never had extended preparation with the legal response to their actions. again, Miss Parker already clarified this several times what she’s teaching in refernce to a legal response, which is good advice, IMO.
i don’t understand what you’re arguing. i think you’re just fishing for an argument…