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NJCAA finals are starting this weekend

NCAA is in Mid march 17th thru 19

getting all excited and shit.

Wow Kmc, that’s a rough list of injuries/body issues. I always found it weird that weight cutting is/was so prevalent in wrestling at the high school level, what with the same day weigh ins and the effects on a growing body you just mentioned. Obviously you can’t regulate something like that though.

You always here guys like Rogan go off on UFC broadcasts about how weight cuts sap your body and guys like Edgar, Deigo and Penn (@170) barely cutting weight having an advantage in that they’re fresh and almost assuredly peaked for a fight. How badly does a 10-15lb weight cut affect your performance though? I guess there’d be a big difference between same-day vs day-before weigh ins, but I was hoping to hear some opinions on that.

It’s not as bad as that.
they do regulate it- NYS has laws due to young athletes dying about loosing
more then X.X percent of your body weight.
There are hydration tests litmus tests, and in college all manner of pee tests.

I’d like to say it doesn’t affect your performance.
or it shouldn’t but that sounds like tough guy bullshit.

your supposed to just suck it up.

want to start?
want to compete
get over it, kind of what happens.

how would you feel at 16 or 17 and spending 25 hours a week on something ?
and have one painful obstacle in the way.
you do it.

HS I was bad at it-
plastic bags,
throwing up
starving
diuretics
laxitives
stupid shit.

Senior year in HS I got smarter - wrestling camp taught me how
how do do it easier-
get your body comp in order , cut a few pound of water. talk of hot baths , epsom salts

I competed at 135 that year, and cut to 126
I got concussions
I passed out in a match.
threw up a few times til I realized food and or water could not be cold

college I had no choice if I wanted to start- cut to 118.5
that is what it was then weights changed a few times since.

I was like 5.1 or 5’2" so at 119 I was a short and wide kid
and actually I was usually the stronger guy but its about speed that small
and I lost that battle allot.

college I figured out fiber- water manipulation loading etc
and became a huge huge fan of the epsom salt bath followed by ice or cold shower to stop the sweat.
much easier cut but slower 5lbs in an hour no problem.

I also did allot of roadwork- I worked up from 5, to 8 to 10-13 miles a day 5 or six days a week
It only takes an hour or just over an hour- and that buys you a meal or two, extra.
t
that was kind of what people did then- very popular no matter how stupid.

I don’t ever remember weighing in day before - unless it was a big big tournament
or maybe before a holiday, things longer then two days - weigh ins every day.
some of the NAGA grappling quest and other type shit I did later had day before.
Judo is usually smaller nubmers of people- so its day of.

being so small I usually had to go first or second
sometimes they could say it was seeding match and could I catch a break and
wrestle second

it sucked.

Usually I felt ok.
after little food, for a day or so and a water cut
some gator aid or powered iced tea mix
baby food and like a banana I was ok.

but it sucked.
I was carried off of the matt, by my first coach- cause I passed out in a match.
that was embarrassing

I think really in training is sucked- always felt weak

tournaments where much better,
cut cut cut get on the scale
drink something eat something
jump rope and stretch take a tiny nap.

I still did some stupid shit.

stand on a ladder in a boiler room in full sweats, platics etc

rode an exercise bike for 35 minutes on the drive to the gig while wearing
the same sweats plastics etc.
can you imagine how pissed the guys who had to give up their seats for the exercise bike

as for injuries.
they are not that bad the shoulder thing is a pain
the neck is not getting worse-

ears are suprisingly good I always wore headgear as much as possible
joints and shit- are just cumulative.

any questions just ask.
I will still maintain that I was ok- not good great etc.

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
It’s not as bad as that.
they do regulate it- NYS has laws due to young athletes dying about loosing
more then X.X percent of your body weight.
There are hydration tests litmus tests, and in college all manner of pee tests.

I’d like to say it doesn’t affect your performance.
or it shouldn’t but that sounds like tough guy bullshit.

your supposed to just suck it up.

want to start?
want to compete
get over it, kind of what happens.

how would you feel at 16 or 17 and spending 25 hours a week on something ?
and have one painful obstacle in the way.
you do it.

HS I was bad at it-
plastic bags,
throwing up
starving
diuretics
laxitives
stupid shit.

Senior year in HS I got smarter - wrestling camp taught me how
how do do it easier-
get your body comp in order , cut a few pound of water. talk of hot baths , epsom salts

I competed at 135 that year, and cut to 126
I got concussions
I passed out in a match.
threw up a few times til I realized food and or water could not be cold

college I had no choice if I wanted to start- cut to 118.5
that is what it was then weights changed a few times since.

I was like 5.1 or 5’2" so at 119 I was a short and wide kid
and actually I was usually the stronger guy but its about speed that small
and I lost that battle allot.

college I figured out fiber- water manipulation loading etc
and became a huge huge fan of the epsom salt bath followed by ice or cold shower to stop the sweat.
much easier cut but slower 5lbs in an hour no problem.

I also did allot of roadwork- I worked up from 5, to 8 to 10-13 miles a day 5 or six days a week
It only takes an hour or just over an hour- and that buys you a meal or two, extra.
t
that was kind of what people did then- very popular no matter how stupid.

I don’t ever remember weighing in day before - unless it was a big big tournament
or maybe before a holiday, things longer then two days - weigh ins every day.
some of the NAGA grappling quest and other type shit I did later had day before.
Judo is usually smaller nubmers of people- so its day of.

being so small I usually had to go first or second
sometimes they could say it was seeding match and could I catch a break and
wrestle second

it sucked.

Usually I felt ok.
after little food, for a day or so and a water cut
some gator aid or powered iced tea mix
baby food and like a banana I was ok.

but it sucked.
I was carried off of the matt, by my first coach- cause I passed out in a match.
that was embarrassing

I think really in training is sucked- always felt weak

tournaments where much better,
cut cut cut get on the scale
drink something eat something
jump rope and stretch take a tiny nap.

I still did some stupid shit.

stand on a ladder in a boiler room in full sweats, platics etc

rode an exercise bike for 35 minutes on the drive to the gig while wearing
the same sweats plastics etc.
can you imagine how pissed the guys who had to give up their seats for the exercise bike

as for injuries.
they are not that bad the shoulder thing is a pain
the neck is not getting worse-

ears are suprisingly good I always wore headgear as much as possible
joints and shit- are just cumulative.

any questions just ask.
I will still maintain that I was ok- not good great etc.

[/quote]

We actually have similar paths, in that I was mostly a decent training partner for the elite guys. Guys like Dremiel Byers and such. That is one powerful dude. I’ll never forget my tryout back in '01, when I suddenly had to compete against Dominic Black. Talk about getting completely tooled. Dude did some shit that I had never seen before…not even at Greco nationals in Fargo. But, I still enjoyed all the training and knowledge I gained. That and the work ethic when it came to conditioning, which I use nowadays.
I actually ended my focus on Greco back in '05 when competition rules kept changing. That and I felt the calling to experience more than just wrestling, so I moved on to BJJ, training at Fort Carson, CO.
Again, I picked up a lot of technique quickly, even obtaining an invite to travel to Rorian Gracie’s school in Cali. That was a good experience, although I learned a bit more about ego. After competing in a NAGA tourney, I continued training, but I wanted more.
Enter MMA.

Now, as far as weight-cutting goes, I’d only dealt with it when preparing for state and national competition in wrestling, and then again for MMA. I routinely had about a 20-25 pound cut. For wrestling, it wasn’t bad, as we had early morning weigh-ins, or day before for nationals, however, with MMA…it was afternoon of. You typically only had two-three hours to rehydrate and refuel. Not nearly enough time to do so adequately. I definitely felt a difference in strength and energy because of the fast turnaround. Add nerves to that, and you can imagine how negatively this affects a fighter. It’s this reason alone that if/when I fight again, it’ll be as a pro. At least I’ll have a full day to recover.

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

There is a good program in NYC called beat the streets
its wrestling for urban kids.
Its a good thing they do ok I think that is what I think needs to happen
make wrestling an urban sport, and let it it get the exposure it needs
to move forward[/quote]

What is you guys’ opinion on programs like these. I feel like the hard dedication and discipline wrestling takes did help to keep me out of trouble as a kid. Though I did still do some pretty stupid shit in HS.

[quote]grayman19 wrote:

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

There is a good program in NYC called beat the streets
its wrestling for urban kids.
Its a good thing they do ok I think that is what I think needs to happen
make wrestling an urban sport, and let it it get the exposure it needs
to move forward[/quote]

What is you guys’ opinion on programs like these. I feel like the hard dedication and discipline wrestling takes did help to keep me out of trouble as a kid. Though I did still do some pretty stupid shit in HS.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty damned awesome, actually. It’s something I have included in my future plans as well. Combative/Martial-Arts is a huge part of my life, and it brings me peace and joy to train people who are eager to learn.