[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
You started this thread with a “in another shoot-first-ask-questions-later event” - which wasn’t the case at all, and your news piece said so. [/quote]
Well, the Afghan buddies of the fallen victims disagree.
Why did I jump to the conclusion that an American soldier would value his own life above that of an Afghan? I guess you can call it prejudice.
It’s a guerilla they’re fighting. They have no clue where or when the enemy will strike. They usually don’t even see it coming. Under these circumstances, I would expect the average American teenager who had a few months training to be a little trigger happy. After all, why take a chance? Bush certainly invaded Iraq first, then went on to ask questions about the WMDs.
And please spare me the line about how moral and sharply trained the US soldier is. That won’t fly with me. Abuse is common in wars, and there’s no way in hell a soldier will risk his/her life to avoid a few casualties. After all, who cares about them? It’s not like you keep a body count or anything…
In short, I don’t know for sure that this particular case was a shoot-first-ask-questions-later event, but I’m confident that it happens quite frequently.
I should have been more precise and started my sentence with “according to the Afghan police”. That much I can grant you.
[quote]lixy wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Looks like Lixy abandoned the sinking ship…
This thread isn’t about establishing what really happened. That’s something a court has to do.
The point of the thread was to discuss how such events are percieved in the Islamic world. You’re willing to grant your buddies the benefit of the doubt, but kids in Cairo or Algiers probably won’t. Guess what will happen to the ones that flunk out of college and can’t get a job?
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What you’ve just said is fascinating. How such events are perceived in the Islamic world, indeed. Let’s see, how will the Islamic world respond to a friendly fire incident amongst forces cooperating against a brutal and oppressive group (Taliban)?
If this incident is truly a mobilizing factor, than maybe you should recognize that something is seriously wrong in the Islamic world. After all, you’re not implying young muslims will be moved to fight the likes of the Taliban. No, you’re suggesting friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces, is what will inspire these kids.
Lixy,I’ve read a lot of your threads and posts and when did you become an expert on America? Seems like you’re just a sad victim of bullshit propaganda thats being fed to people all over the world.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If this incident is truly a mobilizing factor, than maybe you should recognize that something is seriously wrong in the Islamic world. [/quote]
Duh!
You make a good point here, but are oversimplifying. It’s not this single case of what can only be described as “friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces” that “inspires” them.
Rather, I clearly refered to the sum of all the civilians getting blasted, shot, or tortured in the name of your flag. That’s what is bound to turn a latent dislike of America (primarily caused by the US’ unconditional support for Israel) to a full-blown hatred.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Lixy,I’ve read a lot of your threads and posts and when did you become an expert on America?[/quote]
When did I ever claim to be one?
Said propaganda is run by a consortium of commies and Muslims who are trying to destroy everything you stand for. Lucky for them, people all over the world and myself, are gullible enough to believe everything they say without fact-checking it.
They happen to own 90% of the media worldwide and have special forces that combine the ruthlessness of pirates with stealth of ninjas. So, better watch out; they might get you in your sleep!
[quote]lixy wrote:
snipeout wrote:
No chance those local Afghan police are full of shit I guess, lord knows there are no taliban fghters amongst the police.
That’s besides the point. You’re evidently willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the US soldiers, but guess who the Muslim world would side with? Americans or Afghans?
As for death to America, they have been shouting that long before we stepped foot in Afghanistan.
And you think exacerbating the issue is the way to go?
I know, I know they are all peace loving people who would stop killing us as long as we convert to islam
if you’re refering to the tragic events of Sept. 11, I would agree with your sarcastic comment. But for every “bad guy” you get, you slaughter hundreds of innocents. There’s the distinct possibility that the relatives of those innocents might then turn into bad guys themselves.
You lost close to 3000 people on 9/11. You killed many many many times more since then. Do you think that’s a good strategy? I’m curious.
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How many were killed because they were being used as human shields by their own people? How many have been victims of suicide bombers? You miss that. Its a war dumbass, and we are already fighting with big old fluffy gloves on.
In my opinion we oughta take them off and wage a real war and get this over with instead of trying to pacify the politically correct and play right into the hands of these scum. I saw the title to this thread and wondered if you’d bring up the part where the police fired on the soldiers first. Why don’t you go post on Al-Jazeera, your Muslim as victim routine is just so much flatulence.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
If this incident is truly a mobilizing factor, than maybe you should recognize that something is seriously wrong in the Islamic world.
Duh!
After all, you’re not implying young muslims will be moved to fight the likes of the Taliban. No, you’re suggesting friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces, is what will inspire these kids.
You make a good point here, but are oversimplifying. It’s not this single case of what can only be described as “friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces” that “inspires” them.
Rather, I clearly refered to the sum of all the civilians getting blasted, shot, or tortured in the name of your flag. That’s what is bound to turn a latent dislike of America (primarily caused by the US’ unconditional support for Israel) to a full-blown hatred.[/quote]
Lixy - you write about folks getting shot and blasted, yet you continue to dodge the subject of Arab on Arab violence.
I can’t understand why we don’t support Hamas. They are such peaceful types.
[quote]Tokoya wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
If this incident is truly a mobilizing factor, than maybe you should recognize that something is seriously wrong in the Islamic world.
Duh!
After all, you’re not implying young muslims will be moved to fight the likes of the Taliban. No, you’re suggesting friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces, is what will inspire these kids.
You make a good point here, but are oversimplifying. It’s not this single case of what can only be described as “friendly-fire, amongst cooperating anti-Taliban/AL Qaeda forces” that “inspires” them.
Rather, I clearly refered to the sum of all the civilians getting blasted, shot, or tortured in the name of your flag. That’s what is bound to turn a latent dislike of America (primarily caused by the US’ unconditional support for Israel) to a full-blown hatred.
Lixy - you write about folks getting shot and blasted, yet you continue to dodge the subject of Arab on Arab violence.
I can’t understand why we don’t support Hamas. They are such peaceful types.
You see if America does something, even if accidental and unintetional, the perception in the arab worlds is that we are a bunch of blood thirsty zionist pigs. But of arabs do it to each other, hey, that’s A-OK. No complaints there, must be Allah’s will.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Lixy,I’ve read a lot of your threads and posts and when did you become an expert on America?
When did I ever claim to be one?
Seems like you’re just a sad victim of bullshit propaganda thats being fed to people all over the world.
Said propaganda is run by a consortium of commies and Muslims who are trying to destroy everything you stand for. Lucky for them, people all over the world and myself, are gullible enough to believe everything they say without fact-checking it.
They happen to own 90% of the media worldwide and have special forces that combine the ruthlessness of pirates with stealth of ninjas. So, better watch out; they might get you in your sleep![/quote]
Sounds like you’re one of them. So you think Sweden is safe? Are they destroying anything that you and your country stand for?
[i]"GENEVA, June 12 (Reuters) - NATO must do more to prevent civilian casualties during military operations in Afghanistan, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said on Tuesday.
NATO-led international forces have killed dozens of civilians in aerial strikes on armed groups which are sometimes carried out without necessary precautions, ICRC director of operations Pierre Kraehenbuehl said.
“We think clearly much more must be done to preserve and spare civilians when these types of military operations are underway,” he told a news briefing in Geneva."[/i]
Forget about what you read. Those clowns manning those checkpoints routinely fire on US and ISAF forces. They are manned by pro Taliban guys who like to exact tolls from the locals and spread word on troop movements. They got what they deserved.