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US Army's Hand to Hand for WWI


#1

Haven't seen this on here yet, might've missed it on an earlier thread


#2

That’s pretty awesome Slim. Gotta love the old school bareknuckle boxing techniques!

My great-grandfather was in World War I… hard to believe it was so long ago. These musta been some tough bastards.


#3

Yeah, gotta respect the focus on basic boxing skills and Jiu-Jitsu takedown/come alongs. Not a big fan of the low hands boxing guard for most real world situations, but then they were training for the battlefield, not a crowded bar, multiple attacker, or ambush attack type of civilian situation. Plus that was the common guard for boxing at the time, especially bare knuckle stuff as Irish said.


#4

Nice find Very interesting to watch. Still using most of those techniques today.


#5

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Yeah, gotta respect the focus on basic boxing skills and Jiu-Jitsu takedown/come alongs. Not a big fan of the low hands boxing guard for most real world situations, but then they were training for the battlefield, not a crowded bar, multiple attacker, or ambush attack type of civilian situation. Plus that was the common guard for boxing at the time, especially bare knuckle stuff as Irish said.[/quote]

Gotta remember, back then that was the ONLY guard anybody knew. Came from that tendency of bareknuckle punchers to aim for your solar plexus instead of your face - you can break your hand on a guy’s forehead, but you catch him in the solar plexus and it only hurts him.

I still would rather use the high guard, barenuckle or not, but I understand why they did it.


#6

Carl Cestari explains why the low hands makes sense in bare knuckle fighting.


#7

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Yeah, gotta respect the focus on basic boxing skills and Jiu-Jitsu takedown/come alongs. Not a big fan of the low hands boxing guard for most real world situations, but then they were training for the battlefield, not a crowded bar, multiple attacker, or ambush attack type of civilian situation. Plus that was the common guard for boxing at the time, especially bare knuckle stuff as Irish said.[/quote]

Gotta remember, back then that was the ONLY guard anybody knew. Came from that tendency of bareknuckle punchers to aim for your solar plexus instead of your face - you can break your hand on a guy’s forehead, but you catch him in the solar plexus and it only hurts him.

I still would rather use the high guard, barenuckle or not, but I understand why they did it.
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Yeah, I know, and like most sports boxing has evolved (and in many ways improved) since WW1, so I’m not suggesting that they weren’t using the best technology/strategy/techniques that they had available at the time.


#8

[quote]Josann wrote:
Carl Cestari explains why the low hands makes sense in bare knuckle fighting.

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I like learning the historical reasons for combative arts, and it’s a good illustration of why competitive bare knuckle boxers may have done so (due to the popular techniques and rules of the time). But it’s still not a very convincing argument in light of what we know now.