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Urine Testing


#1

I hope to get some info on here about urine testing as i have one coming up at work , the boss says he is looking specificly for steroids ... i have been on Testosterone Enanthate and i am confused about detection times and half life's ....

can anyone shed some light on this .. and how long it will be in your system so you can test positive i a urine test .. and does anyone know how to shall we say cheat the test ..or flood your system with something to mask or hide it ... i heard over hydrating will dilute your urine and flooding you system prior to the test with creatine will mask it .


#2

applesasuce. chunky kind


#3

So how long have you been off?

Or are you hoping it would just take a matter of days?

If -- and this seems so unlikely for a test given by an employer -- you were tested for illicit testosterone use, this would require a test/epitest ratio measurement. Unlikely to be done as I think there is only one lab in the country that does it, but if it were done, it doesn't matter how much the urine is diluted or what agents one might take: the ratio is the ratio and there is nothing to be done about it.


#4

well i work in iraq and the boss has got it in his system that we are all on Gear ... and now we are subject to testing .. but i am unclear as to the detection time and "half life"...

I have been off Test E for about 2 weeks now and i think the test will be in 3 weeks time.. the email we got says results will be known in 24 hours which makes me think it is a urine test ... maybe the swabs you urinate on to and it comes up with diff colours which you check against a chart .. i did a test like this for a Government job before ...


#5

well i work in Iraq and the boss thinks we are all on Gear ... so this is why the testing is going on
The email we got said that results would be known in 24hrs so that leads me to think it might be a urine test .. i have done one before years ago and it was just a case of urinating on a card which then came up with some diff colours which you then checked with a chart ...

But i am still unclear about Detection timings and half life's ..
It has been about 2 weeks since i finished Test E and the test i think will be in 3 weeks time.


#6

well i work in Iraq and the boss thinks we are all on Gear ... so this is why the testing is going on
The email we got said that results would be known in 24hrs so that leads me to think it might be a urine test .. i have done one before years ago and it was just a case of urinating on a card which then came up with some diff colours which you then checked with a chart ...

But i am still unclear about Detection timings and half life's ..
It has been about 2 weeks since i finished Test E and the test i think will be in 3 weeks time.


#7

IIRC a Test enanthate ester will show up approx 2-3 months after use in a urine test.

I read it on Mesomorphosis if i remember correctly, which means it was likely BR who wrote it! :wink:


#8

That said - if it is test:epi test they are testing for - which is very unlikely if you are not an athlete, then controlled application of HCG can bring the epi-testosterone level up.. I dont know the relevant amont of HCg you would need however.

I think it is more lkely that your employer will be testing for synthetic testosterone derivatives - such as Nandrolone, Boldenone, Stanazolol etc..


#9

You should have enough time then even if an adequate test is going to be done.


#10

Really ... will 5 weeks be enough time for Testosterone Enanthate to be non detectablein my urine and pass a test ??


#11

Unless the dose was really really high.

Let's say you used 1 gram per week and the half-life is one week.

So one week after quitting, you are at a level as if using 500 mg/week. Two weeks, 250; three, 125; four, 60; five, 30 mg/week.

The half-life is probably shorter than this so the situation probably is better yet than this.

If they were doing an isotope test actually even that could be detected but that is just getting ridiculous. Actually so far as I know it's ridiculous even that they would do test/epitest, but if they did, all that would happen is your epitest would be a moderate percentage higher than usual.

But there is a wide range allowed, and so unless you were naturally right at the low end of the range for epitest production relative to testosterone production, you would pass.

(The isotope test takes account of the fact that synthetic testosterone has a very slightly different ratio of carbon isotopes than is the case with naturally-produced testosterone. Therefore in a mass spectrometer, the percentage with the differing molecular weights is slightly different. But this is a very costly test. It is completely unreasonable that your employer would have it done.)

The most likely test is simply seeing if steroids other than naturally occurring ones -- e.g. Winstrol, Dianabol, nandrolone, etc -- are present. That is far cheaper.


#12

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Unless the dose was really really high.

Let's say you used 1 gram per week and the half-life is one week.

So one week after quitting, you are at a level as if using 500 mg/week. Two weeks, 250; three, 125; four, 60; five, 30 mg/week.

The half-life is probably shorter than this so the situation probably is better yet than this.

If they were doing an isotope test actually even that could be detected but that is just getting ridiculous. Actually so far as I know it's ridiculous even that they would do test/epitest, but if they did, all that would happen is your epitest would be a moderate percentage higher than usual.

But there is a wide range allowed, and so unless you were naturally right at the low end of the range for epitest production relative to testosterone production, you would pass.

(The isotope test takes account of the fact that synthetic testosterone has a very slightly different ratio of carbon isotopes than is the case with naturally-produced testosterone. Therefore in a mass spectrometer, the percentage with the differing molecular weights is slightly different. But this is a very costly test. It is completely unreasonable that your employer would have it done.)

The most likely test is simply seeing if steroids other than naturally occurring ones -- e.g. Winstrol, Dianabol, nandrolone, etc -- are present. That is far cheaper.[/quote

As you say at the bottom of your msg i think they are just looking to see if there are any Steroids in my system other than natural ones ..... that said would 5 weeks be enough time for me to test neg for Test E ????
this is only my 2nd course of gear so i am fairly new to all the technical jargon .. and I'm sorry if i sound like a novice ... its because i am in this matter


#13

Yes, barring use of a technique which I really don't think they'd use (isotopic) as it is very expensive and just far outside the realm of employment drug tests.


#14

This is where you are confused - what is meant by synthetic testosterone derivatives is steroids that are NOT Testosterone, as Testosterone IS the 'regular' natural Androgen to men. Whether it is produced naturally or not is by the by. Its metabolites etc. are all natural.. however when we produce test naturally, the testes also produce epitestosterone, and this has a certain ratio (which changes throughout life but is generally within certain parameters).

(After looking it up - Test:Epitest is 1:1 in the majority, but can naturally be upto 10:1 - and any inbetween - however the WADA have decided on 4:1 being the cut-off for testing - suggesting to me that Test Prop can be used fairly regularly throughout the season or even ALL season as long as there are epitest injections to match.. plus GH.. etc! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)

When test is injected, epi-test isn't raised, and this increases the T:ET ratio in favour of Test.
So unless testing SPECIFICALLY for a test/epi-test ratio that is out of whack, which BR said is very expensive and out of the realms of normal employers, a steroid test is more likely to test for 'UN-NATURAL' metabolites..

Bill mentioned that due to the time you have - your exogenous test levels will be dropping sharply over the next 4-6 weeks, and you are likely to have a fine ratio by that point regardless.

(thats alot of test, tests and testing..)

I only am repeating what has already been stated, as you hadnt seemed to grasp what was written yet - i hope this helps.

Brook


#15

thanks alot guys that hs helped clear some things up alot .. if anyone else has any advice it would be greatly appereciated too ...


#16

Bill so from what you said am I to believe that even though the company I work (UTILITY CO) for has a policy in place to not use steriods. I can be somewhat safe using test as apposed to other forms of gear?


#17

Safer in that long-term detection after discontinuance isn't the issue that it is with "unnatural" steroids.

Whether they can detect high testosterone from urine tests, without running the test/epitest ratio that I think but am not positive is not practical for them to do, I don't know.

Whether they in fact use urine or they do a blood test, I don't know. Athletes manage to avoid blood tests on the basis of this being too intrusive, but I have no knowledge of whether employers are generally unable to work around this by obtaining your consent. (Or else.)

If a blood test is involved then it is easy to detect testosterone while on-cycle, as levels simply are abnormally high. Which is very easy to detect.


#18

They only do urine tests randomly at my work. I already have idiots giving me a hard time about all the supplements I take. I wonder what will happen if I put on 30-40 lbs in 8 weeks? Thanks for the answer Bill.


#19

By the way, that is a beauty part of 2 week cycles. Increases in the 2 weeks can be attributed to eating big, carb loading, and working hard.

If there's fat to lose, fat can be lost in the off weeks and thereby overall weight can change by much less -- or if there's a lot of fat to lose, stay about the same.

It can be much more discreet in these situations.


#20

Isnt that hard to do with test Bill? Would'nt it be better with other forms of AAS. I know there are some fast acting test options, but I heard they burn more on injecting?