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Universal Animal Stak Success??

I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Animal Stak or any of the Animal products…I have a friend that is getting some good results from it…I know The animal line is mildly reputable but I would like to see what people think about it on T-nation…

I am switching from my current multi-vitamin to the Animal Pak next month as it seems to have everything mine did plus some, at an equal if not lower price.

As for their Stack products, I have not tried them though I am placing enough confidence in them to try their Animal M Stak for my coming bulk.

In either stack, assuming they are providing what the label says, and your diet and training are sound, then I think their’s is a good product. The various herbs and compounds are all well known for T maximizing, and estrogen minimizing. Again, it comes down to the accuracy of their labeling.

I will be sure to post again after I have tried their stuff next month.

They’ve been making garbage for years. Mostly kitchen sink products and things for teenagers who don’t read labels. ‘Kitchen sink’ is when a company throws in a little of everything, but not enough to DO ANYTHING, into a supplement.

Their overhyped vitamins and other supplements sucked in the 1980’s. They suck now.

I like thier multivitamin, AnimalPak.

You do know people will flame you for using non-Biotest products, right?

I expect the flames though, I’ll note, I did not say the products were better then Biotest.

If it was financially viable I would buy the best, but, my money does not allow such.

If you can afford it, buy Biotest as they have the absolute cutting edge in supplement technology for sale. I will have to go without the revolutionary stuff for now. Assuming the products I do buy contain what they say they do, I will be happy. This however is why I generally stick to very basic supplements and reputable brands.

[quote]flabtoslab wrote:
I like thier multivitamin, AnimalPak.

You do know people will flame you for using non-Biotest products, right?[/quote]

youre not going to get flammed for not using biotest, youre going to get flammed for using a product that is known to be the worst on the market just behind the tar coats. there are many posts at virtually any lifting site stating how they either do nothing or make you sick depending on which of their products you are using. there are plenty of multi’s from other companies, for less money, availible online and at stores. i’m tempted to say centrum is better than that stuff, and i don’t like centrum.

A few thoughts:

1)“Biotest” doesn’t make a multi-vitamin; I use LEF.

  1. “Universal” most certainly has had one of the most successful marketing campaigns I can remember this side of “Body-for-Life”.

Mufasa

[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I expect the flames though, I’ll note, I did not say the products were better then Biotest.

If it was financially viable I would buy the best, but, my money does not allow such…[/quote]

I caught another of your posts and noticed that you’re taking glutamine, ginsing, bee pollen, apple cider vinegar, and many other either questionable, very limited use, or downright worthless supplements. You should really do some T-Nation research. Maybe you could afford better supplements if you cut down on the stuff proven to be utter crap.

Just some friendly advice. I don’t mean that to sound too harsh. You seem like a good guy, but you’re supplement program is scattered and includes stuff most people found to be useless 10 years ago.

I mean, I can understand if you can’t afford the good Biotest stuff, but that doesn’t mean you should waste money on bee pollen! At least spend that on good foods instead.

apple cider vinegar (raw) is actually very good for you. Looks like you don’t know much either…

[quote]Dave2 wrote:

I caught another of your posts and noticed that you’re taking glutamine, ginsing, bee pollen, apple cider vinegar, and many other either questionable, very limited use, or downright worthless supplements. You should really do some T-Nation research. Maybe you could afford better supplements if you cut down on the stuff proven to be utter crap…
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The bee pollen comes in my ginsing, I would not buy it individually.

The apple cider vinegar tablets I take I’ve found to be cheap ane effective metabolism boosters, which I take only when cutting (besides acv, they contain cayenne powder, ginger, and garcinia camboginia(sp?))

Glutamine? I don’t think anyone would question the efficiency of glutamine for a variety of uses anymore. If you need confirmation from a T-Nation contributer, check out what Cy Wilson said on it in one of his past columns.

As for the other herbs, I am not alone in attesting to their benefitial natures. I can understand your skepticism, as I was skeptical at first, and have been introducing these items into my diet over the past couple years. Some things I’ve tossed out, some I’ve kept, some have their limited place. I think alot of the mixed reactions to these things comes from the mixed bag of herbs out there. Some are standardized for their active ingrediants, some are just root powder(not ideal). The case of the latter was alot more prevalent in the past before consumers got smarter, demanding standardization.

I also take in plenty of whole food, which always comes first, followed by protein powder (which never takes up more then three meals a day, two of them being around my lifting).

If you’d like me to explain my reasoning behind taking anymore of my pills, I’ll be glad to.

I like Animal Pak. I think it is as good or better than other multis. I haven’t tried their other products.

[quote]Moon Knight wrote:

Glutamine? I don’t think anyone would question the efficiency of glutamine for a variety of uses anymore. [/quote]

No? Read these:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=461188

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459884

But it’s your money, bro.

From what I understand, multivitamins of any type are completely un-neccesary.If your diet is in order and your organs are doing their job,taking a multi is like bringing sand to the beach. To quote Mcleary,Clatch&Clatch of Boston U.-" Multi-vitamins are the biggest scam to be perpitrated on the American public ever."

I think the reason Biotest doesn’t waste their time on multis’ is because there are better things to do with R&D money and your supp. buying dollar than multis’. If Anyone here at T-Nation can confirm this, It would be greatly appreciated!

I read those, and they do not change my mind so far as my glutamine supplementation goes.

I use glutamine primarily in the effort to increase growth hormone and minimize muscle wasting. I also use it occasionly for alkalinization.

I always take my glutamine on an empty stomach, which I understand to have different results then taking it in a shake or bar or with a meal.

I should also mention I eat a strictly paleolithic diet, in other words, low carb, which is noted in those articles as one of the instances when glutamine supplementation might be benefitial.

[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
From what I understand, multivitamins of any type are completely un-neccesary. [/quote]

Thats why they are called “supplements” and not “requirements”.

Hey man, if you’re diet is that strong, and your are that sure you are getting ALL of the vits you need, hats off to ya.

I agree with atreides…

VERY seldom do our diets, (ESPECIALLY those of muscleheads and other atheletes), provide adequate vitamins and minerals…in fact, in our effort to eat “clean”, our diets often provide inadequate nutrition…(sort of a strange paradox, huh?)

Multi’s are meant to be sort of an “insurance policy”…

Mufasa

Moon Knight…

It really seems like you are knowlegable and on top of this stuff…

I think that you’ll just have to take a good look at what you’re spending your money on and simply prioritize…

And let me tell you…NONE of us whom have been in this game for any time have been immune from the “marketing trap!”

Hey…we live and learn!

Mufasa

DANG!

I forgot one thing that may be helpful…

Don’t fall into the trap of “defending” a supplement simply because you use it.

This game changes FAR too rapidly to fall into that trap (there are guys who still live and die on Liver Pills and HMB!)

If you’ve studied it and are cool with it in your mind…GO FOR IT!

Don’t stop questioning what you take though…

Peace!

Mufasa

Just a nagging question for me - if Glutamine is so worthless why does Biotest include it in Surge?

[quote]gonta wrote:
Just a nagging question for me - if Glutamine is so worthless why does Biotest include it in Surge?[/quote]

Great question. Anyone have an answer?

According to the staff, Surge was formulated before they figured out that Glutamine was ‘worthless’.

Interestingly enough,though, these same people tell you to throw your creatine in with Surge so that it will be absorbed with the rise in glucose. However, taking glutamine and creatine at the same time is a waste, since creatine hoggs all the receptors and you litterally piss the glutamine away.

It seems like a conundrum.