Underground Village

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Well really when it comes to cost if it is the only thing that would ensure life then whatever it costs, do it.[/quote]

Where you on the Iraq War planning committee?

[quote]pookie wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Hell if aliens cam down and enslaved the entire planet, you may be able to go unnoticed in this underground village.

If the aliens have mastered faster-than-light travel, don’t you think they might be able to detect the heat signature from your exhausts vents?

With all your lights and computer systems (not to mention everything else you didn’t mention), you’re going to be generating a lot of waste heat. It’s gotta come out somewhere.

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Pookie you fucking bean counter nay-sayer! (I type that with great affection)

So stop saying why it won’t work.

I would be interested in reading what you would do as a way to ensure life after asteroid impact or alien invasion.

Come on! Use your powers for good. Tell me your post-apocalyptic scenario.

Maybe more sun pyramids, slave labor? Mad Max? Mole City?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pookie wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Hell if aliens cam down and enslaved the entire planet, you may be able to go unnoticed in this underground village.

If the aliens have mastered faster-than-light travel, don’t you think they might be able to detect the heat signature from your exhausts vents?

With all your lights and computer systems (not to mention everything else you didn’t mention), you’re going to be generating a lot of waste heat. It’s gotta come out somewhere.

Pookie you fucking bean counter nay-sayer! (I type that with great affection)

So stop saying why it won’t work.

I would be interested in reading what you would do as a way to ensure life after asteroid impact or alien invasion.

Come on! Use your powers for good. Tell me your post-apocalyptic scenario.

Maybe more sun pyramids, slave labor? Mad Max? Mole City?[/quote]

I already answered that previously.

I think we’re much better off making sure we’re tracking all the large objects in the solar system so that we can know which ones will hit and when.

With enough foreknowledge, survival simply becomes a question of nudging the body a small amount so that it misses the Earth years or decades later.

The nudging part needs work, but the tracking part is already feasible, for a lot cheaper than digging villages underground everywhere.

The main benefit is that avoiding the impact saves all 6.5 billion humans. The villages save a tiny fraction of that and are untestable.

Basically, I think we’re discussing the wrong solution to the problem.

[quote]pookie wrote:

I already answered that previously.

I think we’re much better off making sure we’re tracking all the large objects in the solar system so that we can know which ones will hit and when.

With enough foreknowledge, survival simply becomes a question of nudging the body a small amount so that it misses the Earth years or decades later.

The nudging part needs work, but the tracking part is already feasible, for a lot cheaper than digging villages underground everywhere.

The main benefit is that avoiding the impact saves all 6.5 billion humans. The villages save a tiny fraction of that and are untestable.

Basically, I think we’re discussing the wrong solution to the problem.
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I don’t know if I want all the people saved… I want to survive though.

A whole new world could be interesting.

[quote]pookie wrote:

I think we’re much better off making sure we’re tracking all the large objects in the solar system so that we can know which ones will hit and when.

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A fat lot of good that will do when this baby goes off.

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A beautiful pinwheel in space might one day blast Earth with death rays, scientists now report.
Unlike the moon-sized Death Star from Star Wars, which has to get close to a planet to blast it, this blazing spiral has the potential to burn worlds from thousands of light-years away.

“I used to appreciate this spiral just for its beautiful form, but now I can’t help a twinge of feeling that it is uncannily like looking down a rifle barrel,” said researcher Peter Tuthill, an astronomer at the University of Sydney.

The fiery pinwheel in space in question has at its heart a pair of hot, luminous stars locked in orbit with each other. As they circle one another, plumes of streaming gas driven from the surfaces of the stars collide in the intervening space, eventually becoming entangled and twisted into a whirling spiral by the orbits of the stars.

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Bizarre thread idea, but hey, why not?
It’s bound to happen sometime, right?
Perhaps, as we did surpass the reptiles, the marsupials will be the next big winners?
And why is there an EMP pulse when a rock (albeit a very, very fast) hits the earth?

Some comments:
The pyramids weren’t done by slaves (at least most of them weren’t, probably) for a good reason, so you might really have to pay them if you expect more then just a big, comfy hole. Or just promise to pay them. Or better, promise them premium seat resevations.

Mixing races is a nice idea to ensure there will be no humanity left after the dust settles down.

Say goodbye to elecronic gadgets like your Xbox. Today’s toys eat so much prescious electricity, it must be some Saudi conspiracy. So doing drugs, coupling and occasionally plundering neighbourhood holes/biodomes will be the only recreation you’ll find.
Along with cycling (for electricity), perhaps. If you, as a mayor, insist on bringing your 1000Watt Gamer PC with you, have Lance Armstrong as your personal “energy manager” in your Biohole.

It must be nice to be such an idealist. When reading your list one thing strikes me especially. Food, shelter, clean energy, recycling, small community consisting of specialists with little hierarchy, easy life… Why don’t we do it already and move into those holes to enjoy these perfect societies!? Please, can’t some little asteroid comet rain down on us, not to mention a big, fat meteor with lots of iron?

Saving the animals to repopulate… forget it, with luck , we’ll save ourselves and perhaps a hamster or two. Noah’s ark was a swindle, most animals are pretty complicated or have a ginormous apetite. They also shit and fart a lot.
At least the crocodiles will survive and the rats. And some fish. And roaches, a lot of them.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:

I think we’re much better off making sure we’re tracking all the large objects in the solar system so that we can know which ones will hit and when.

A fat lot of good that will do when this baby goes off.

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A beautiful pinwheel in space might one day blast Earth with death rays, scientists now report.
Unlike the moon-sized Death Star from Star Wars, which has to get close to a planet to blast it, this blazing spiral has the potential to burn worlds from thousands of light-years away.

“I used to appreciate this spiral just for its beautiful form, but now I can’t help a twinge of feeling that it is uncannily like looking down a rifle barrel,” said researcher Peter Tuthill, an astronomer at the University of Sydney.

The fiery pinwheel in space in question has at its heart a pair of hot, luminous stars locked in orbit with each other. As they circle one another, plumes of streaming gas driven from the surfaces of the stars collide in the intervening space, eventually becoming entangled and twisted into a whirling spiral by the orbits of the stars.

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death by pinwheel… it doesn’t sound very bad ass by name.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t know if I want all the people saved… I want to survive though.[/quote]

If it’s any consolation, having the technology to nudge and deflect large asteroids away from the Earth means you could also nudge a smaller one to hit us and crash on, say, North Korea.

I’d rather we keep the one we have free from impact and concentrate on getting to the other worlds available in the rest of the galaxy.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Pookie, I don’t think the point of his post was to ask for a cost estimate.

We already have NORAD here which is a known facility and there is a facility in Kansas that is underground.

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On that note, NORAD invests millions of dollars per fiscal year to purvey information about inner-space, and even then is only able to gather a small percentage of it.

In Billy Bob Thornton’s words in Armageddon, “It’s a big damn sky, sir.”

[quote]pookie wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t know if I want all the people saved… I want to survive though.

If it’s any consolation, having the technology to nudge and deflect large asteroids away from the Earth means you could also nudge a smaller one to hit us and crash on, say, North Korea.

A whole new world could be interesting.

I’d rather we keep the one we have free from impact and concentrate on getting to the other worlds available in the rest of the galaxy.
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you wear sensible shoes don’t you?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:

A fat lot of good that will do when this baby goes off.

Real death star could strike Earth - USATODAY.com [/quote]

I notice you didn’t quote the last sentence:

But when it comes to whether this pinwheel might pose a danger to us, “I would worry a lot more about global warming,” Melott said.

[quote]Contrl wrote:
On that note, NORAD invests millions of dollars per fiscal year to purvey information about inner-space, and even then is only able to gather a small percentage of it.

In Billy Bob Thornton’s words in Armageddon, “It’s a big damn sky, sir.”[/quote]

Well, yes, but that’s just because we don’t want to make a project of it.

Tracking giant floating rocks around is not very interesting to the public. They prefer stories about going back to the moon and manned missions to Mars.

That, and throwing gobs of money down the useless black hole that is the ISS.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
you wear sensible shoes don’t you?[/quote]

Well, you don’t want to find yourself walking around the rubble of a big comet crash in high heels, let me tell you.

[quote]pookie wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
you wear sensible shoes don’t you?

Well, you don’t want to find yourself walking around the rubble of a big comet crash in high heels, let me tell you.
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Be bold and give it a try.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Vegita, there is a book called “Tyrannasaur Canyon” by Douglas Preston that describes that alleged asteroid crash.

Supposedly the alleged ash plume reached half way to the moon before allegedly falling back to earth.

Allegedly only mammals survived the impact, according to the theory. Without the alleged asteroid we may not have allegedly evolved.

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There, fixed it. Just messin’ with you OG, you’re not all that bad.

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Vegita, there is a book called “Tyrannasaur Canyon” by Douglas Preston that describes that alleged asteroid crash.

Supposedly the alleged ash plume reached half way to the moon before allegedly falling back to earth.

Allegedly only mammals survived the impact, according to the theory. Without the alleged asteroid we may not have allegedly evolved.

There, fixed it. Just messin’ with you OG, you’re not all that bad. [/quote]

What are you a defense attorney!!! hehehe

actually that is probably a more truthful way of presenting that theory.

You guys are making this far more complicated than it really is. NASA already has self contained 2-3 person living environments. The human and plants live in harmony and support eachother. All water is recycled, Sure you are going to lose energy in the transfers, thats why they have solar panels, to restore the lost energy that is used. All I am doing is Scaling it, putting it underground, and changing the energy source from Solar to Geothermal.

The ideal would be to make it big enough for several hundred people to live in. This would reduce things like cabin fever and stress. But if it were too much to do, you could do it in House sized models where 5-10 people could live in them. They have developed these things to sustain life for a very long time on the surface of mars, so I’m sure it would cost less to put one 100 meters under our earth surface than it is to fly one or several to Mars.

Hell, Just by eliminating the US governments waste per year we could realistically make one of these every year. Make it into a business model where you have vacation suites so it can recover costs before the disaster hits. Like the Ice Hotel, it would be a novelty that Would attract visitors. Also you didn’t address the other Dissasters that this would protect against.

I thought about it after watching a show on comet impacts, but it would prevent against Nuclear War, Massive global Climate change, (stupid) aliens, Smart ones would probably find us, Humans cloning dinasours and unleashing them ALA Jurassic Park on the world. Hell Science fiction has been astoundingly accurate at predicting the future, you just never know what us crazy humans will do next.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:

A fat lot of good that will do when this baby goes off.

I notice you didn’t quote the last sentence:

But when it comes to whether this pinwheel might pose a danger to us, “I would worry a lot more about global warming,” Melott said.
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I would also worry more about getting stuck by lightning, gang raped by the Cowboy Cheerleaders and a whole lot of other unlikely things.

I think he was making the same point.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
You guys are making this far more complicated than it really is. NASA already has self contained 2-3 person living environments. The human and plants live in harmony and support eachother. All water is recycled, Sure you are going to lose energy in the transfers, thats why they have solar panels, to restore the lost energy that is used. All I am doing is Scaling it, putting it underground, and changing the energy source from Solar to Geothermal.

The ideal would be to make it big enough for several hundred people to live in. This would reduce things like cabin fever and stress. But if it were too much to do, you could do it in House sized models where 5-10 people could live in them. They have developed these things to sustain life for a very long time on the surface of mars, so I’m sure it would cost less to put one 100 meters under our earth surface than it is to fly one or several to Mars.

Hell, Just by eliminating the US governments waste per year we could realistically make one of these every year. Make it into a business model where you have vacation suites so it can recover costs before the disaster hits. Like the Ice Hotel, it would be a novelty that Would attract visitors. Also you didn’t address the other Dissasters that this would protect against.

I thought about it after watching a show on comet impacts, but it would prevent against Nuclear War, Massive global Climate change, (stupid) aliens, Smart ones would probably find us, Humans cloning dinasours and unleashing them ALA Jurassic Park on the world. Hell Science fiction has been astoundingly accurate at predicting the future, you just never know what us crazy humans will do next.

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Great, so now we could die from protein deficiency. Or can you fit cows in future living environments?