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UFC vs. Pride (Heavyweight)

Does anybody here think that anyone in the UFC would even be able to put a decent fight against Fedor or Cro Cop for that matter. Just interested to see what people think.

Cro Cop has his ups and downs…but man when he is up…he sacres me. I would LOVE to see cro-cop vs. Liddell.

I know, it will never happen.

No offense to any Sylvia fans out there but the guy isn’t that great. Especially compared to legends like Cro Cop and Fedor.The UFC’s heavyweight division is paper thin.

When it comes to Darth Fedor, I don’t think the Pride vs. UFC rivalry even matters. I’m not sure if there’s anyone that can take Fedor right now, but if I had to choose I’d go with Crocop. His takedown defense has improved remarkably since his first rumble with Lord Fedor.

Absolutely not. Fedor, Nog, Cro Cop, and Barnett would absolutely wreck anyone in the UFC’s heavyweight division. Those fights would be laughable. You could probably line the whole division up in front of Fedor and he would dispatch them one at a time over the course of a night. There’s a few others that would be slightly less favored, like Werdum, Aleksander, Kharitonov, Hunt, and maybe even Coleman. I still think they would win, but a few mismatches like Monson vs Hunt might make some upsets. Then guys like Fujita, Zentsov, Drago, and Nastula would be pretty competitive.

Quite simply, the UFC’s HW divison blows. Badly. Like Paris Hilton’s solo album badly. They just had a chance to pick up a decent fighter in Heath Herring, but just like Rampage, they wouldn’t show him the money and now the WFA signed him. I just don’t understand it.

[quote]taylorsj wrote:
His takedown defense has improved remarkably since his first rumble with Lord Fedor.[/quote]

He did pretty well with the takedowns last time, but even in that fight Fedor wasn’t shooting for legs so much as going for inside trips and throws. I think the biggest change Mirko has made over the course of this tournament was that he came motivated and in shape everytime. Just as in K-1, Mirko is often his own worse enemy.

Do you really think that Dana White is holding out when it comes to paying the fighters as well as he could? Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that the UFC is much smaller than Pride (internationally, not just in the US) and thus had smaller payouts.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Absolutely not. Fedor, Nog, Cro Cop, and Barnett would absolutely wreck anyone in the UFC’s heavyweight division. Those fights would be laughable. You could probably line the whole division up in front of Fedor and he would dispatch them one at a time over the course of a night. There’s a few others that would be slightly less favored, like Werdum, Aleksander, Hunt, and maybe even Coleman. I still think they would win, but a few mismatches like Monson vs Hunt might make some upsets. Then guys like Fujita, Zentsov, Drago, and Nastula would be pretty competitive.

Quite simply, the UFC’s HW divison blows. Badly. Like Paris Hilton’s solo album badly. They just had a chance to pick up a decent fighter in Heath Herring, but just like Rampage, they wouldn’t show him the money and now the WFA signed him. I just don’t understand it.[/quote]

Well Stated.

The Paris Hilton reference had chuckling quite a bit.

[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Does anybody here think that anyone in the UFC would even be able to put a decent fight against Fedor or Cro Cop for that matter. Just interested to see what people think. [/quote]

NO.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
taylorsj wrote:
He did pretty well with the takedowns last time, but even in that fight Fedor wasn’t shooting for legs so much as going for inside trips and throws. I think the biggest change Mirko has made over the course of this tournament was that he came motivated and in shape everytime. Just as in K-1, Mirko is often his own worse enemy.

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Again, this shows the genius of Fedors game plans. He knew Cro-cop would be training take down defense (Improving his sprawl) so Fedor chose to go with a more …technical …form of the take down. Fedor’s skills are unmatched, but what makes him truly unstoppable is his ability to deconstruct his enemy and pick appart his week spot. Who expected his utter flogging of zuluhilo? Certainly not Zuluhilo.

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[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Does anybody here think that anyone in the UFC would even be able to put a decent fight against Fedor or Cro Cop for that matter. Just interested to see what people think. [/quote]

I don’t think any UFC heavyweight could deal with Fujita, let alone Fedor. Seriously, how would Sylvia or Arlovski beat Fujita? They couldn’t hurt him.

Mark Hunt would destroy the UFC I wish he would come over to the states.

[quote]Lou Garu wrote:

Mark Hunt would destroy the UFC I wish he would come over to the states.[/quote]

If aynone was dumb enough to trade with him they would die, but I think that anyone with solid grappling who can get Mark down and keep him there would pull off a win. Monson comes to mind as a horrid match for Hunt. I think Aleksander is the best choice out of the second tier fighters in Pride to clean up. He has the reach and boxing and wreck Syliva and enough Sambo credentials to hang with anyone there on the ground. Then we could have two Emelianenko HW champs.

[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Does anybody here think that anyone in the UFC would even be able to put a decent fight against Fedor or Cro Cop for that matter.[/quote]

Put up a decent fight? Absolutely.
Actually win the fight? Highly unlikely.

Fedor and Cro Cop are the best in the world, but in MMA, styles make fights and anything can happen. Fedor and Crop Cop themselves would be the first to tell you that, on any given night, they could lose.

Fedor’s fights are usually highly competitive and more than one opponent has had the upper hand on him but couldn’t close the deal (Randleman, Fujita, Coleman). That Fedor wins those fights is a testament to his greatness, but it also shows that the guy is still human. I think a guy like Sylvia could present him with some matchup problems because of his length and takedown defense. Fedor would eventually find a way to win, but I think big Tim could make it an interesting fight.

With Cro Cop it all depends on the ability to take the fight to the mat. Outside of Mark Hunt, nobody can survive for too long in a standup battle with that guy. I think he’d smash Chuck for the same reason he smashed Wandy … his precise straight punches and lightning fast feet would beat Chuck to the punch every time. Honestly, I think a ground and pound specialist is the only guy who would have a chance versus Mirko. If a guy like Tito could survive long enough on his feet to get a takedown, he could G&P his way to a victory. However, I’d say that Mirko delivers with the KO 8 times out of 10.

Meh.

Fujita has a seriously hard head, but even he can’t withstand a beating forever. I think Sylvia would eventually beat him down.

In a standup fight? I agree.

Hunt has looked great against the top strikers in Pride (Wandy, Mirko) because they are willing to stand with him. Problem is, the UFC is full of guys who wouldn’t even attempt to stand with him and who would take the fight to the ground. Once the fight hits the ground, Hunt would get tooled by any number of guys.

Kev Randleman put mirko on his ass, talk about a one hitter quitter. Fedor on the other hand wouldn’t go down as easy.

isn’t there a 265lb weight max for the heavy weight class in the UFC?
dosn’t Mark Hunt weigh about 290lbs?
he would have to cut to make heavyweight

I am looking to Brandon Vera to make a mark in the UFC HW division. Hopefully sooner than later.

[quote]Hannibal King wrote:
Kev Randleman put mirko on his ass, talk about a one hitter quitter. Fedor on the other hand wouldn’t go down as easy.[/quote]

Randleman is so hot and cold. He’s an ungodly athlete with usperhuman strength, but sometimes it doesn’t look like he even trains. Randleman dropped him with that one punch, but there was also about 20 more that followed it on the ground. If Fedor caught that same hook, if ANYONE caught that hook outside of Hunt they would have went down.

I don’t think Tim Sylvia could take Gomi!

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Hannibal King wrote:
Kev Randleman put mirko on his ass, talk about a one hitter quitter. Fedor on the other hand wouldn’t go down as easy.

Randleman is so hot and cold. He’s an ungodly athlete with usperhuman strength, but sometimes it doesn’t look like he even trains. Randleman dropped him with that one punch, but there was also about 20 more that followed it on the ground. If Fedor caught that same hook, if ANYONE caught that hook outside of Hunt they would have went down.[/quote]

I agree.