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U.S. Sponsors Jundullah vs. Iran


http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
April 03, 2007 5:25 PM
Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or “finding” as well as congressional oversight.

Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.

The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

“He used to fight with the Taliban. He’s part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist,” said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

“Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera,” Debat said.

Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.

Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.

They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.

The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.

A CIA spokesperson said “the account of alleged CIA action is false” and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.

Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.

A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.

This “secret” you speak of … sourced by members of US Intel … how secret is it?

Meanwhile, if true, it doesn’t sound like .gov has learned much from the past.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
Meanwhile, if true, it doesn’t sound like .gov has learned much from the past.[/quote]

Also, if true, can we agree that the US sponsors terrorism? Or is it only terrorism when others do it?

It seems they are fighting against Irans military. Is that terrorism?

Are they blowing up crowded markets? Flying planes into buildings full of civilians?

I will reserve judgment on this group but based on the report posted they are not terrorists.

Yeah that’s how they all start by trying to attack only military targets and then when they realize they can never achive a military victory they start attacking embassies, civillians, whatever they can get. ALL terrorist scum should be exterminated without exception

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It seems they are fighting against Irans military. Is that terrorism?

Are they blowing up crowded markets? Flying planes into buildings full of civilians?

I will reserve judgment on this group but based on the report posted they are not terrorists.[/quote]

What on Earth did you smoke?

Out of the Wiki:
"Jundullah (Army of God) (Persian: جنداللہ) is a militant Islamic organization that is based in Waziristan, Pakistan and affiliated with Al-Qaeda.

It is a part of the Baloch insurgency in Pakistan and in Iran’s Sistan and Baluchistan Province. The goal of the group is to form an independent and united Baluchistan under a hardline Sunni Islamist government similar to the Taliban regime in Afghanistan."

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Are they blowing up crowded markets? Flying planes into buildings full of civilians? [/quote]

They are friggin’ blowing up cars that kill innocents! Few weeks back, they blew up a bus and a car in the city of Zehedan, killing 11 Iranians and wounding 31.

Those are scumbags no better than Ben-Laden. Just because you currently have a common enemy shouldn’t make you lose sight of who they really are. Gee, are you guys naive enough to think they’ll magically become moderates and not turn against the next “evil” on their list? Have you learned NOTHING from 9/11?

Sometimes, I wonder if you have any respect for the thousands of innocent souls who perished in the WTC. You use them as a cause to create ever more chaos, deaths and suffering in the world.

Maybe this is just revenge for taking our people hostage in the 70’s and killing 300 some marines and others in Beirut.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

BTW, did you attend the big parade in Iraq?

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Maybe this is just revenge for taking our people hostage in the 70’s and killing 300 some marines and others in Beirut.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

BTW, did you attend the big parade in Iraq?[/quote]

Don’t forget all the Americans and Iraqis being killed with bombs made in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Maybe this is just revenge for taking our people hostage in the 70’s and killing 300 some marines and others in Beirut.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

BTW, did you attend the big parade in Iraq?

Don’t forget all the Americans and Iraqis being killed with bombs made in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.[/quote]

And supporting terrorism as a means of revenge makes us moral… how?

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Maybe this is just revenge for taking our people hostage in the 70’s and killing 300 some marines and others in Beirut.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

BTW, did you attend the big parade in Iraq?

Don’t forget all the Americans and Iraqis being killed with bombs made in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.

And supporting terrorism as a means of revenge makes us moral… how?
[/quote]

Killing enemy soldiers is not terrorism, it is war.

We are in a low grade war with Iran. They started it almost 30 years ago and we have only begun to fight back.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
We are in a low grade war with Iran. They started it almost 30 years ago [/quote]

Care to explain how the Iran-Contra fits into your “low grade war”? Didn’t think so…

[quote]lixy wrote:
Cunnivore wrote:
Meanwhile, if true, it doesn’t sound like .gov has learned much from the past.

Also, if true, can we agree that the US sponsors terrorism? Or is it only terrorism when others do it?[/quote]

'Get a dog to eat a dog."
— old Roman proverb

[quote]lixy wrote:

They are friggin’ blowing up cars that kill innocents! Few weeks back, they blew up a bus and a car in the city of Zehedan, killing 11 Iranians and wounding 31.

Those are scumbags no better than Ben-Laden. Just because you currently have a common enemy shouldn’t make you lose sight of who they really are. Gee, are you guys naive enough to think they’ll magically become moderates and not turn against the next “evil” on their list? Have you learned NOTHING from 9/11?[/quote]

If you’re referring to the Feb. 14th bombing, everyone killed or injured was a member of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corp.

To association of this act with Bin Laden and 9/11 is distinctly false, either by intention or ignorance. The association is much more strongly associated to the attack on the USS Cole, which many declared wasn’t terrorism because it was a military target.

22 USC ? 2656f(d)(2)

From your portrayal of the Mujahedeen and the Jundallah, your respect for any thousand people is suspect (be it 3,000 Americans by Bin Laden or 30,000 Mujahedeen prisoners at the hands of the Ayatollah).

Sporadic or even liberal constructive criticism of a nation and its policies is one thing, but your constant derision and misrepresentation of people and facts is very distinct from any other point you might be trying to make.

[i]The central government typically reacts to ethnic unrest with a combination of repression and scapegoating. For example, two men were executed in early March for their roles in fatal October bombings in the southwest.

They “confessed” on state television the night before their executions that Iranians in Canada and Britain instructed them to create insecurity.

Iranian minorities are not pursuing separatism or special privileges. They identify with the Iranian nation - many defended the country in the Iran-Iraq War, and others serve in the government and legislature.

When minorities protest they are not making unreasonable demands, they are just insisting on their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Such rights include use of their languages in local media, as well as the absence of discrimination. They also object to levels of unemployment and underdevelopment that affect their regions more severely than other parts of the country. The Iranian regime ignores minority rights and dismisses their concerns at its peril.[/i]

[quote]lucasa wrote:
If you’re referring to the Feb. 14th bombing, everyone killed or injured was a member of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corp.[/quote]

Nope. Most of them were indeed Revolutinary guards though.

I associated the group with Al-Qaeda, not the act.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Maybe this is just revenge for taking our people hostage in the 70’s and killing 300 some marines and others in Beirut.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

BTW, did you attend the big parade in Iraq?

Don’t forget all the Americans and Iraqis being killed with bombs made in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.

And supporting terrorism as a means of revenge makes us moral… how?

Killing enemy soldiers is not terrorism, it is war.

We are in a low grade war with Iran. They started it almost 30 years ago and we have only begun to fight back.

[/quote]

Did you read the stupid thing? Civilians died. On purpose.

Therefore: Terrorism.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Cunnivore wrote:
Meanwhile, if true, it doesn’t sound like .gov has learned much from the past.

Also, if true, can we agree that the US sponsors terrorism? Or is it only terrorism when others do it?

'Get a dog to eat a dog."
— old Roman proverb

[/quote]

If you get a dog to eat a dog, you are no better than a dog.

This is a bad move if true. Whether or not they are terrorists it’s a bad. Groups like this have turned on us before. I don’t trust these guys and if the US is using them, they’d be on a short fucking leash.

Unfortunately, there’s no way to check the anonymous sources. US response states the relationship as only going so far as to tracking Al Qaeda members in Pakistan for the US. There are a number of Tribal leaders now wanting them and the Taliban gone, after all. So, I wouldn’t doubt that we’ve been in touch with Jundallah, and other militant groups, to obtain the whereabouts of Al Qaeda/Taliban members. Especially on key leaders. But, I 'm seriously doubting the whole “US is helping Jundallah attack Iranians” until some solid sources are revealed to confirm this.

By the way, Pakistan has vehemently denied this report. At this point there’s just not enough here for me to believe this story is accurate.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
At this point there’s just not enough here for me to believe this story is accurate.[/quote]

There’s no smoke without fire.

I’m not saying I have proof of the alleged association, but I have no doubt that such actions, if true, would be kept secret and out of the public eye. By the time the documents are released, most of us will have stopped caring…