…i disagree. Not taking into account the “idiots who drink and drive, eat unhealthy, pop pills etc.” is like saying Sudan has the same life expectancy the West has if it weren’t for hunger, deathsquads and a lack of fresh water. I think the USA is a unique society in this regard compared to other first world nations due to the rigors everyday life places on the working class american. Rigors on a level you won’t find anywhere else in the first world commonwealth…
When people die due to situations in their control, it’s very different to people who die for lack of food, water, medical care etc.
Things outside of their control.[/quote]
…all these things are outside their control, Mak. If there is no water to drink, or food to eat, then that’s outside my control. So, to me, the argument is flawed; you can’t disregard causes of death and then say, “life expectancy in the USA is the highest!”
…you living in NZ have a better life expectancy than an american, and i’ll bet that your quality of life is higher as well [subjective i know]…