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U.S. Caused Georgia Conflict?

This is rich:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html

I think Putin is reaching now. It’s kind of pathetic, really.

If by “caused” you are implying that the US actually allowed it maybe not but Georgia was certainly emboldened by US military aid and that seemingly has the effect of culpability.

If Russia supplied military aid to Cuba and Cuba subsequently attacked Puerto Rico whose side do you think people would take?

Georgia was not “emboldened” by the US. That is utter tripe. Georgia was attacked by Russia because they were a US ally on their border.

This whole conflict was orchestrated by the Russian “peacekeepers”.

I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

Randy Scheunemann seems a bit suspicious in this whole thing. He was a paid lobbyist for 4 years for the Georgian government who ended his official lobbying connection only in March, months after he became McCain’s senior foreign policy adviser.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Georgia was not “emboldened” by the US. That is utter tripe. Georgia was attacked by Russia because they were a US ally on their border.

This whole conflict was orchestrated by the Russian “peacekeepers”.

I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

[/quote]

Are you saying the US has not been arming and training Georgia’s army?

Are you saying Bush has not been trying to get Georgia into Nato? Sounds like “emboldening” to me.

How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

That doesn’t justify the Russian attack, but they were provoked. And they were looking for an excuse to flex their muscles. So it was stupid of Georgia to give them that excuse. The Fins managed for decades to not give them an excuse.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.
[/quote]

I am not parroting anyone’s propaganda. I am just saying you can’t just take the US government’s side because it has decided to give military aid to a country that then attacks another.

Who ever pulled the trigger first is wrong. It is not like Ossetia was posturing to attack Georgia.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

I am not parroting anyone’s propaganda. I am just saying you can’t just take the US government’s side because it has decided to give military aid to a country that then attacks another.

Who ever pulled the trigger first is wrong. It is not like Ossetia was posturing to attack Georgia.[/quote]

They were shelling Georgia to provoke a response. The South Ossetian “freedom fighters” raped and looted under the nose of the Russian “peacekeepers”. This shit is being totally ignored by our media.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?
[/quote]

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

I am not parroting anyone’s propaganda. I am just saying you can’t just take the US government’s side because it has decided to give military aid to a country that then attacks another.

Who ever pulled the trigger first is wrong. It is not like Ossetia was posturing to attack Georgia.

They were shelling Georgia to provoke a response. The South Ossetian “freedom fighters” raped and looted under the nose of the Russian “peacekeepers”. This shit is being totally ignored by our media.
[/quote]

Now who is parrotting propaganda?

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?[/quote]

The question was, how do you like it?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

I am not parroting anyone’s propaganda. I am just saying you can’t just take the US government’s side because it has decided to give military aid to a country that then attacks another.

Who ever pulled the trigger first is wrong. It is not like Ossetia was posturing to attack Georgia.

They were shelling Georgia to provoke a response. The South Ossetian “freedom fighters” raped and looted under the nose of the Russian “peacekeepers”. This shit is being totally ignored by our media.

Now who is parrotting propaganda?[/quote]

You are. Learn the facts or STFU.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?

The question was, how do you like it?[/quote]

Ooh. The Belgian Waffle shows up to defend his comrades.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?

The question was, how do you like it?[/quote]

Obviously we feel it does not warrant a full military invasion and occupation or we would have done so.

Why is it correct for the Russians to arm and train a small ally on our border but not correct for us to do the same on theirs?

If they did not want us meddling in their sphere of interest, maybe they should have stayed the hell away from ours.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?

The question was, how do you like it?[/quote]

Listen Droopy … what you fail to acknowledge or understand is that they are autocratic thugs. We are a liberal democracy. They have been conquering and subjugating their neighbors for a thousand years.

We have been liberating people for hundreds (Belgium included … on more than one occasion).

We spend billions and billions to relieve disease and hunger in Africa. They support and prop up the dictators in Africa that are practicing ethnic cleansing and preventing that aid from getting to their people. We’ve maintained the peace in europe and asia for 50 years.

In other words … what WE do isn’t equal to what THEY do. Providing a young democracy with the means to protect itself from an invasion by the russians is not the same as the russians arming a brutal communist dictatorship (cuba) that oppresses it’s own people and forces them to live in poverty. Cuba was a relatively prosperous island prior to Castro.

Moral relativism isn’t a pretty thing …

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
How would you like it if the Russians decided to arm and train a smally ally on your border?

They have been for about 40 years. Where you been?

The question was, how do you like it?

No, the question was “How would you like it if

So, where have you been? [/quote]

Italic tactics make this post even better. Nice one.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda. [/quote]

You would prefer to have everyone believe the Western press version of events?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They were shelling Georgia to provoke a response. The South Ossetian “freedom fighters” raped and looted under the nose of the Russian “peacekeepers”. This shit is being totally ignored by our media.
[/quote]

Can you cite a Western media report that has been favorable to the Russians or Ossetians?

I can only assume that you are getting your info off some neocon blogs.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I cannot believe how many people parrot the Russian propaganda.

You would prefer to have everyone believe the Western press version of events?

Zap Branigan wrote:
They were shelling Georgia to provoke a response. The South Ossetian “freedom fighters” raped and looted under the nose of the Russian “peacekeepers”. This shit is being totally ignored by our media.

Can you cite a Western media report that has been favorable to the Russians or Ossetians?

I can only assume that you are getting your info off some neocon blogs.[/quote]

The western media has done nothing but report the Russian story. Read reports from people that are actually there like Michael Totten to see what is really happening.

Pity that whe don’t have any (known) Russians on the forum

[quote]Erasmus wrote:
Pity that whe don’t have any (known) Russians on the forum[/quote]

some guy working in, I think siberia was in the beginner’s forum a few weeks back.