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U.N. Report: Teaching Masturbation to Kids


#1

"Under the U.N.'s voluntary sex-ed regime, kids just 5-8 years old will be told that "touching and rubbing one's genitals is called masturbation" and that private parts "can feel pleasurable when touched by oneself."

By the time they're 9 years old, they'll learn about "positive and negative effects of 'aphrodisiacs," and wrestle with the ideas of "homophobia, transphobia and abuse of power."

At 12, they'll learn the "reasons for" abortions â?? but they'll already have known about their safety for three years. When they're 15, they'll be exposed to direct "advocacy to promote the right to and access to safe abortion."

Child health experts say they are wary of teaching about the sticky topic of abortion, but stress that as long as messages stay age-appropriate, educating kids at a younger age helps better steer them into adulthood."

[i]If you dismiss this as 'global' and not 'local', you are mistaken. Many in government positions take their cues from UN and other global precedent (eg. Agenda 21 'sustainable development').

Shouldn't be long until your public schools latch on if they haven't already...[/i]

Please discuss.


#2

Blame the parents who, for years, wanted the school to be their childs parents so they didnt have to do the hard stuff…


#3

I don’t think it will matter if they are taught or not, they will probably figure it out the same way most of us did. It is only a matter of time before they are doing the knuckle shuffle on the piss pump.


#4

Girls are starting to menstruate at age 8, and become sexually active shortly thereafter… unless we can somehow both remove all the crap that’s screwing up their hormones from their environment and completely change modern popular culture almost overnight, stuff like this, however uncomfortable it may be, and how much we wish it weren’t necessary… is in fact necessary.

The specific way in which it is done ought to be highly subject to scrutiny.


#5

I see this as the same battle of the camp that wanted to teach evolution in schools, get women to vote (ya know, they’re only good for incubating babies and cooking) and blacks from learning they’re of the same race as their paler overlords.

Try again.


#6

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
"Under the U.N.'s voluntary sex-ed regime, kids just 5-8 years old will be told that “touching and rubbing one’s genitals is called masturbation” and that private parts “can feel pleasurable when touched by oneself.”

By the time they’re 9 years old, they’ll learn about “positive and negative effects of 'aphrodisiacs,” and wrestle with the ideas of “homophobia, transphobia and abuse of power.”

At 12, they’ll learn the “reasons for” abortions Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? but they’ll already have known about their safety for three years. When they’re 15, they’ll be exposed to direct “advocacy to promote the right to and access to safe abortion.”

Child health experts say they are wary of teaching about the sticky topic of abortion, but stress that as long as messages stay age-appropriate, educating kids at a younger age helps better steer them into adulthood."

[i]If you dismiss this as ‘global’ and not ‘local’, you are mistaken. Many in government positions take their cues from UN and other global precedent (eg. Agenda 21 ‘sustainable development’).

Shouldn’t be long until your public schools latch on if they haven’t already…[/i]

Please discuss.[/quote]

I would have a hard time not resorting to violence. Just because he’s a teacher talking to my kid about masturbation, doesn’t make him any less of a dirty old man than the guy down the block. And he should be dealt with no differently. Frankly, I suspect those who’d support this kind of trash as the same who fuel the demand for child porn. Don’t bother denying it, I’m entirely convinced, actually.


#7

[quote]lixy wrote:
I see this as the same battle of the camp that wanted to teach evolution in schools, get women to vote (ya know, they’re only good for incubating babies and cooking) and blacks from learning they’re of the same race as their paler overlords.

Try again.[/quote]

So you would equate a parent not wanting a public school teacher to teach their 5 year old about masturbation to someone who is against women’s suffrage and for racial segregation???


#8

My parents never taught me how to touch myself, neither did my teachers. In fact, if they had, I would probably still be too creeped out to ever masterbate to this very day.


#9

They must be honoring Ted Kennedy.


#10

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
My parents never taught me how to touch myself, neither did my teachers. In fact, if they had, I would probably still be too creeped out to ever masterbate to this very day.[/quote]

lol. That is probably true.

I’m not really opposed to the topic being taught but it doesn’t seem all that necessary. I started pretty young doing the flexed arm hang and while I didn’t really KNOW it was masturbation I knew enough that I wasn’t going to telling anyone that I got great times because of the funny feeling it gave me. So I guess I sort of knew it was but not definitively.


#11

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m not really opposed to the topic being taught but it doesn’t seem all that necessary.
[/quote]

Curious, do you have kids?

Lixy?


#12

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
debraD wrote:
I’m not really opposed to the topic being taught but it doesn’t seem all that necessary.

Curious, do you have kids?

Lixy?[/quote]

No. And as such I don’t have a strong opinion about it and would defer to those who do, in this case. The only reason it might be necessary is to counter teachings about masturbation that are negative. But even then I don’t know that it’d make much difference.


#13

I want to be clear-- I have no problem with masturbation (in fact, I’m somewhat of a professional), however, the teaching of ‘the fap’ has no place in public education (IMHO).


#14

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I want to be clear-- I have no problem with masturbation (in fact, I’m somewhat of a professional), however, the teaching of ‘the fap’ has no place in public education (IMHO).[/quote]

I’d be interested in hearing the liberal arguments for it. There are certainly more important points to get across and if you’re going to make a large chunk of the population uneasy there better be a good reason for it. As it stands, there doesn’t appear to be.


#15

i am interested in the pro argument for this as well.

also how in depth is the discussion. if it starts and ends with rubbing yourself feels good, i am not sure that is appropriate at 5 but I had a sex ed class in the 2nd or 3rd grade that went a long those lines. If it involves “educational instruction videos” and demonstrations with bananas that is a bit much.

sex ed is interesting. i think my wife and i fight more about how to do this than just about any other aspect of child rearing. fortunately our kids are still young and we have time to work it out.


#16

They should do this to educate kids that masturbation is perfectly normal. Some parents (mostly religious families) would tell their kids otherwise.


#17

[quote]debraD wrote:

There are certainly more important points to get across and if you’re going to make a large chunk of the population uneasy there better be a good reason for it. As it stands, there doesn’t appear to be.[/quote]

It’s the U.N. there is no representation or electorate and no clearly defined problems or motivation. It’s politics meets theory meets fantasy. They might as well have how masturbation applies under Prime Directive next on the agenda.

And, of course, at the local level. It’s CYA and ‘just following orders’.


#18

[quote]dtheyer wrote:
They should do this to educate kids that masturbation is perfectly normal. Some parents (mostly religious families) would tell their kids otherwise.[/quote]

Oddly enough, you’re my favorite poster right about now.


#19

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
lixy wrote:
I see this as the same battle of the camp that wanted to teach evolution in schools, get women to vote (ya know, they’re only good for incubating babies and cooking) and blacks from learning they’re of the same race as their paler overlords.

Try again.

So you would equate a parent not wanting a public school teacher to teach their 5 year old about masturbation to someone who is against women’s suffrage and for racial segregation???[/quote]

He/she’s an idiot, don’t pay any mind . Seriously, teaching kids to masturbate. And people wonder why I thiok educators are often idiots.


#20

I’m against it. They aren’t sexually mature, let them discover it the natural way.