Two Weeks Into Winstrol + Test

I’ve been on 200mg TRT weekly for about 5 months and for the last 2 weeks, I’ve started adding 30mg Stanozolol / Winstol daily orally.

The TRT has been spectacular and i shifted 20lb of muscle from fat (from body scans) over the last few months coupled with hard weights and diet daily.

I’ve seen a little effect so far from adding the Winstrol but nothing spectacular. I want to check if you all think im doing this right? Is 30mg a day too low for my size? Do i need to dose twice? Im just taking one tablet a day right now first thing.

I’m 6’4 / 260lbs / 40 Y/O / 13% BF

How long should i be going before i start seeing bigger impact? I was planning on a 4-6 week cycle for this first time around.

If goal is muscle - are you gaining weight weekly?
If goal is to cut - are you losing weight weekly?

Can we get some sanity about TRT?

I never took more exogenous testosterone than 200mg/wk, but would never say I was on TRT. What 200mg/wk is, is “enhanced exogenous testosterone replacement of my testosterone” or EETRMT. Rant over.

IMO, you should notice a difference with 30mg/day of oral Winstrol. I would question its quality. Though Winstrol is not a great solo AAS for strength gains. I liked the muscle volume on Winstrol. Add another AAS, like Deca or Tren.

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Im not sure im following the rant RT_nomad. I apologize if i touched a nerve on something. I did bloodwork 6 months ago and found out my trstosterone was very low (<100) and so started TRT. Im still in a phase where that is pretty impacful on my strength/growth i though it important to include. I have converted ~20lb of fat to muscle over last 5 months while getting pinned with TRT weekly, and figured a Winstrol cycle would be a good way to accentuate muscle growth, but not sure how much difference i should be expecting to see. Ive been a litlte underwhelmed so far.

Week 1 - weight dropped by 5 lbs and muscle.mass by 4lbs, seemed i was getting sefinition and cut but also a little smaller

Week 2 - focused on eating big and back up 3lbs, body shape seeks restored with a bit more strength/endurance (maybe 10%)

Also this is my first post on here so not sure regarding decorum of proper terminology, just trying to learn!

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I find this skeptical. 99% of people who think they are in the low teens for BF are actually greater than 20%. I hope you prove to be the outlier.

Winstrol has a half life of 9 hours. Splitting the dose up would be preferable.

With orals I usually started noticing changes at the 1-2 week mark.

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It is about the definition of TRT. There a few different camps, most are centered on what gives them their desired outcome. I try to look at this more analytically. IMO, TRT is testosterone therapy to get your testosterone to a value that is age appropriate with some exceptions. The older a person gets might require an appropriate amount to keep your body functioning as close to optimal as testosterone can benefit.

My doctor is trying to keep my Total Testosterone between 500 and 800ng/dL tested in the trough. I pin 100mg testosterone cypionate every 5 days (or 140mg/wk). I am 74 years old.

I took AAS to put on muscle and that was the only reason I took them. The first 6 years I never took testosterone, but only took anabolics, particularly Dianabol. It is a good singularly used AAS for putting on muscle. It was the go-to steroid of the 1960’s and 1970’s.

Now to your point. Winstrol was available (along with Anavar and Anadrol). Very few that took Winstrol didn’t stack it with either Dianabol or Anadrol. In other words, very few thought Winstrol was a good stand alone steroid.

That said, it Winstrol might stack well with testosterone, but I have no experience doing so. But to say that when I did run Winstrol, I stacked it with 200mg/wk of Deca and 200mg/wk testosterone.

Search threads on “what is TRT and what is not”, or something like that. There is plenty of discussion. You can decide if 200mg/wk of testosterone is TRT, or not.``

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When someone else suggests the same thing, he might give it some consideration.

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My first take is that OP doesn’t really care about terminology, but just wants to put on more muscle. I would say he is taking ETMG (enhanced testosterone for muscle growth), which I just made up. I would prefer people quit trying to put a label on their testosterone dosage and just say the amount and frequency.

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I still prefer “TOT” or “TRT+” but I’m on the same page as you guys regardless.

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Oh man, I stepped into a hornets nest :rofl:

@RT_Nomad and @readalot, I appreciate all the information regarding the impacts of Testosterone and applications, I am just starting on this stuff and have been doing to the doctor to determine and administer dosage. I will say that when I did my first bloodwood, doctor shared that my T levels were ‘that of a 90 year old man’ and that’s what kicked me off 5-6 months ago to start getting back into fitness heavily. As I’m working my way back to a normal range for a 40 year old (still not there based on my most recent blood work), I am seeing excellent results from the injections, and have been looking to enhance those results with as reasonable a degree of safety as possible. I don’t know anyone that seems to be doing anything at my regular gym (I go to a community gym in my town, well equipped, but there’s very few people lifting heavy), so I’m trying to navigate my way around what is a new world to me, having never taken anything more than OTC supplements in the past.

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I find this skeptical. 99% of people who think they are in the low teens for BF are actually greater than 20%. I hope you prove to be the outlier.
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I don’t have a pic of the most recent one, but I think it was down to 13%, here’s the InBody scan from last week at 13.7%. https://imgur.com/3AwSIhr

I know these machines are not always accurate but its what I have to go off!

I appreciate the advice regarding splitting up dosage, I’ll start doing that.

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Curious what were your lab values for TT/FT?

Thanks, working on it!

I’d question the InBody accuracy. BF% doesn’t really matter, and measurements are notoriously inaccurate (as you noted) but that type of recomp strains credibility (of the measurement, not yours).

Srsly, 256 @13% is a FFMI of 27.8 - which indicates heavy AAS usage - a description that is not applicable to your TRT dosage.

It is possible that you are an outlier, but not likely.

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I said im not reading any of your stuff but you so obsessively tag me anyways, that i understand that my attention is very important to you. Ok… you have achieved your goal - i will give you one more minute, if i am so important to you.

What the fck do you want? Sorry i will not read all your posts, i just read this one :

I have no idea what this is about. Apparently i did offend you in some ways? I guess some 6 months ago when i was still trying to reason with u? What exactly did hurt so much that you couldnt just ignore it for months and do what i did by just skipping past everything you write?

I gotta ask… Why are you starting with people?

Is the conflict really worth it? There are a few people who I am mad in my life… But I try not to think about it, conflict isn’t worth it.

No man is beyond revenge. You never know how unhinged someone is before starting with them (whether that be online or in person).

Unless someone is actively swinging at me, screaming at me or insulting a close family member, it is generally in my best interest to disengage unless A: I am sure this is a battle I can win (without losing the war) or B: There is an incentive to engage in conflict and I can’t think of downstream repercussions that could ensue (e.g. getting banned on T-nation for provoking people).

I respect you immensely as a poster. but… is… this… worth it?

prism

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Pick your battles.

When you pick a battle… fight until the very end… But make sure it’s a fight worth picking

Find an outlet. My outlet is talking about prisms and confusing people by doing so. The trapezoidal prism has six faces!

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No… You should stay

you’re a valued poster, your insight is always appreciated.

There will always be people who (rightfully or wrongfully) don’t agree with you. I’m on team @readalot… Not everyone is into facts, rather they go by anecdote or how they feel (gut instinct). I find this irritating…

Prims is the only anagram of prism.

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You’re not the only one.

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Yep, I get it. But… your FFMI is below 25 - the AAS threshold (which is probably a bunk measurement as well). His is 27.8 - a significant difference considering only five months of TRT.

Again, an opinion based on experience - not an objective fact.

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Well, yea. You see, even if you are not, you still kind of are.
I mean, i told you months ago that i dont care to speak with you or read your stuff but you kept on taging me, craving for my attention. Sorry but that is a pathetic bitch move.

Lets look at the facts…
Someone you dont know and never will know in person, said smth about you online. Instead of just moving on, not only did you kept whoring for attention… you ALSO actually made pics, and posted yourself online in underpants.
I mean, when we were arguing you said you wont do that. You, supposedly, a grown man…actually decided to share your half naked pics online, which is super-opposite to what you spoke before, just to get my attention after i said i dont care about you?

Dude, you are the most pathetic “man” i have ever seen.
All it took was for me(someone who is irrelevant in your life) to say that you might be 20yr old, and you have such a low self worth, that not only did you changed your stance on picture posting, you also kept tagging me for months, just to try to get my attention.

The only reason i replied now, is to try to again, tell you - I DONT GIVE A SHIT about you, and you should finally start not giving a shit about me, and just stop tagging me like a little heart broken bitch.

If you are super hurt about me saying you probably are a kid - im not sorry because your actions AFTER in order to get a single response, are just so women-like, that no matter the age or the gender, a grown man who will change his stance and tag other men online to show his underpants just to prove some whatever point, is so pathetic, that nope - however i called you, i stick by it, and now i actually think even less of you.

If the problem is stats - ok, i will agree… i was mistaken… i tought that at 240lbs a guy would be big and muscular.
Apparently i did make a mistake, and didnt consider the wide variety of genetics and bodytypes.
But the fact is, that when i said you are NOT those stats, what i ment are not the numbers but the physique that comes with those numbers in most peoples minds. I ment that you are not big. And you are not.
My mistake was the belief that at 240lbs everyone is big. Im sorry about that mistake. You have proven that you can be 240lbs lean and look like any teen in a boxing gym, who doesnt weight train. If thats what you wanted to prove and me to admit - congratulations, you did it.

But the most, i feel sorry about knowing that there are “grown men” who will tag someone for months just to get replied back from some unknown stranger online.
People like this are probably why America has all these stalkers and shit. Obsessive as fuck.