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Twenty-Five U.S Military Officers


#1

Challenge Official Account of 9/11

January 14, 2008 - Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government's story. The officers' statements appear below, listed alphabetically.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm


#2

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Challenge Official Account of 9/11

January 14, 2008 - Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.


[/quote]

This should be amusing watching the conserva-trolls work this one down.

The emperor’s new clothes. Excellent post.


#3

“Dick (Cheney), … was in charge of NORAD that morning the only time in history the VP took total command.” tjb

“I’d like to see a list of the NO-BID contract beneficiaries making bread on the back-side of this war.” boomerang


#4

Seems like a real objective web site with no underlying motive…


#5

What ? You people think the governament would harm us for profit ?

Noooooo…


#6

HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?


#7

Oh…my…God. 25 military members? Gentlemen, we have a consensus.

mike


#8

I am willing to bet a few of these are setting up a martyrs defence. Meaning that when the government decides not to let them back in because they didn’t do enough they can run back and say that its because they spoke out.


#9

[quote]John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?[/quote]

Could you be the first conserva-troll?

Define “this”?

lol


#10

[quote]John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?[/quote]

Actually it was a re-direct from an NSA mole assigned to … the Air Force Academy, a personal friend of mine.

lol


#11

So, what do these guys think really happened?

Besides the fact that they believe a missile hit the Pentagon and there were bombs planted in the Twin Towers, they give no alternative explanations.

If they had explosives in the Towers, why the need for the hijackings? Why not just detonate the bombs in place starting with a car bomb like they tried in the early 90’s?

How did the bombs get planted in the Towers? Does anyone know the extensive work this would be and how could it have been done during work days in plain sight without anyone noticing?

As for no wreckage at the Pentagon…what happened to the plane which supposedly hit it and the passengers on board? It took off and never landed, those people were never seen again. If they did not hit the Pentagon, where are they? No explanation.

Who exactly did hijack the planes? Al-Qaeda, CIA, Mossad, CIA working with Al-Qaeda, again, no explanation.

If the Pentagon was hit by a missile, where was the missile fired from? What kind of missile was it? Air to ground? Shoulder fired? Ground fired, again no explanation.

And they never said the plane which crashed in PA was hit by a missile. Hell, I’m disapointed.


#12

[quote]Limbic wrote:
John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?

Could you be the first conserva-troll?

Define “this”?

lol[/quote]

You certainly are not the first libera-troll.

It is obvious what “this” is. The crap in the article you linked.

lol.

edit-sorry, you did not post the link…might as well have though…lol.


#13

More conspiracy nonsense, served up by people who can barely sputter out complete sentences.

What is our conspiracy troll count up to these days, anyway?


#14

I’m not getting caught up in this debate, yet again.


#15

Anyone else face palm IRL too?


#16

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
More conspiracy nonsense…
[/quote]

Right. The REAL story is it took TWO HOURS for a single fighter jet flying at the speed of sound to reach the most heavily guarded airspace in the WORLD… HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wait, don’t tell me. They were COMPLETELY caught off guard…

9/11 Report Cites Many Warnings about Hijackings
The New York Times
10 February 2005
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/8891

I try not to think about the fact that after the first plane hit the towers, I could have DRIVEN from my place in PA down to DC to watch the action unfold at the Pentagon.

I’m sure its perfectly plausible the terrorist “masterminds” spent YEARS of planning and MILLIONS of dollars on an elaborate plan who’s entire success relied SOLELY on US government incompetence… “Was it possible that they could swallow that… ? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal.”


#17

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Limbic wrote:
John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?

Could you be the first conserva-troll?

Define “this”?

lol

You certainly are not the first libera-troll.

It is obvious what “this” is. The crap in the article you linked.

lol.

edit-sorry, you did not post the link…might as well have though…lol.[/quote]

Yet another blinkered junkyard dog. I almost forgot, lol.


#18

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Limbic wrote:
John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?

Could you be the first conserva-troll?

Define “this”?

lol

You certainly are not the first libera-troll.

It is obvious what “this” is. The crap in the article you linked.

lol.

edit-sorry, you did not post the link…might as well have though…lol.[/quote]

Mister Khan, why are you answering for John S? How close are you? lol?

You probably chose your username to deflect attention from Pakistan’s Khan, another ongoing problem of the present conservadmin. Clumsy bunch, keystone-like.


#19

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
So, what do these guys think really happened?
[/quote]

Right here is pretty much the whole hijack scenerio laid out six months BEFORE 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6EWF3vulc

They even mention the “counter terrorism war game scenerio”, EXACTLY as was happening on 9/11…

Amid Crisis Simulation, ‘We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack’
6 A.M.: WAR GAMES

Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins figured it would be a long day.

Sept. 11 was Day II of “Vigilant Guardian,” an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit’s airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot…

8:40 A.M.: REAL WORLD

In the Ops Center, three rows of radar scopes face a high wall of wide-screen monitors. Supervisors pace behind technicians who peer at the instruments. Here it is always quiet, always dark, except for the green radar glow.

At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.

“It must be part of the exercise,” Deskins thought.

At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.

On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA’s Boston Center.

“I have a hijacked aircraft,” he told her.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html

Inside StratCom on Sept. 11 Offutt Exercise Took Real-life Twist
When terrorists struck America on September 11, U.S. bombers were sitting gassed up on the ground, armed with nuclear weapons, as part of an annual war exercise.
http://911review.org/brad.com/wargames/GlobalGuardian.html

The scene at NORAD on Sept. 11: Playing Russian war games… and then someone shouted to look at the monitor
Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full “battle staff” levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.

Coincidence #3046


#20

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, what do these guys think really happened?

Right here is pretty much the whole hijack scenerio laid out six months BEFORE 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6EWF3vulc

They even mention the “counter terrorism war game scenerio”, EXACTLY as was happening on 9/11…

Amid Crisis Simulation, ‘We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack’
6 A.M.: WAR GAMES

Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins figured it would be a long day.

Sept. 11 was Day II of “Vigilant Guardian,” an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit’s airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot…

8:40 A.M.: REAL WORLD

In the Ops Center, three rows of radar scopes face a high wall of wide-screen monitors. Supervisors pace behind technicians who peer at the instruments. Here it is always quiet, always dark, except for the green radar glow.

At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.

“It must be part of the exercise,” Deskins thought.

At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.

On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA’s Boston Center.

“I have a hijacked aircraft,” he told her.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html

Inside StratCom on Sept. 11 Offutt Exercise Took Real-life Twist
When terrorists struck America on September 11, U.S. bombers were sitting gassed up on the ground, armed with nuclear weapons, as part of an annual war exercise.
http://911review.org/brad.com/wargames/GlobalGuardian.html

The scene at NORAD on Sept. 11: Playing Russian war games… and then someone shouted to look at the monitor
Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full “battle staff” levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.

Coincidence #3046…[/quote]

They’ve been caught with their pants down in multiple arenas, as they doubtless knew they would. The real method they used to assure no real investigations cropped up was prosecution blackmail. Use of the FBI to let legilators know what they faced if they acted in opposition. They called in lots of debts, you can be sure of. That’s the atmosphere of fear, not fear of terrorist attacks.