Fuck permits. Seriously. You know who issues permits? The government.
I would call Israel first world. Their fence has sonar to detect tunnels. And lots of fun gizmos.
Fuck permits. Seriously. You know who issues permits? The government.
I would call Israel first world. Their fence has sonar to detect tunnels. And lots of fun gizmos.
The wall is an unimaginably large CF from a permitting, engineering, and construction standpoint. The more you learn/think about the project, the more infeasible it becomes.
We would need to suspend all regulatory oversight, landrights, and permitting, then contract the work on a T&M basis to ensure contractors donât cut corners, utturly decimate the construction industry for a hundred+miles around the wall by taking all the materials, and then threaten a war with Mexico by strongarming away land and resources in disputed border areas.
I surely donât have a solution to securing our southern border. But I do know Trumpâs grand campaign wall is stupidly unrealistic.
Double layer chain link fence 50 feet apart.
Land mines in between.
Razor wire.
Move on to next problem.
Well, Iâm in the industry so I have to concur with everything stated above.
Thereâs so much insanity here I cannot even list it all, just one issue that was omitted above - access roads. Youâd have to build hundreds and hundreds of miles of access and maintenance roads able to withstand heavy construction traffic.
Also, taking into account the sheer scale I guess youâd have a shortage of manpower and materiel for regular non-insane construction work that would push construction costs up in the SW.
After all, which company wouldnât want a massive government contract?
Have you been to Israel? Have you seen their walâŚI mean barrier and its order of magnitude?
Land mines? Are you serious? I presume youâre thinking about anti-personnel mines and youâd like to cover the entire length of the border? Do some simple math and see how much mines youâd need.
Not to mention that would put the US into the fine company of North Korea and former East Germany in terms of mining its borders.
Also.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/27/us/u-s-landmines/index.html
Just these would probably take care of illegal immigration problems:
No federal benefits for illegal aliens and/or their children.
No citizenship for children of illegal aliens; unless the child is born in America, given up for adoption when his parents are deported, and adopted by citizens.
(I would prefer that immigration be left completely up to the states, and the federal government be scaled back to 18th Century-sizeâŚbut thatâs not happening anytime soon)
You donât think better wages, less crime, school, and a MUCH better situation to raise a family has much to do with illegal immigration?
The whole border fence argument depends on how harmful you feel that cartel drugs, crime and human trafficking are. While illegal immigrants disrupt labor markets and use public services, they are the smallest problem with open borders.
Mexico is a narco state with no rule of law (thanks to drug prohibition). Insulating ourselves from them canât hurt.
Are clearly marked landmines along a border fence any more immoral than razor wire? If in the process of feloniously crossing an international border you hop on razor wire and get maimed or killed I have no sympathy for you.
Schools: Public Education for Immigrant Students: Understanding Plyler v. Doe | American Immigration Council , unless the school is private.
If they come here for the other reasons, there is no problem caused.
You canât insulate yourself from Mexico because of the whole âvery long land borderâ thing, especially from people bent on nefarious activity. âClearly marked landminesâ wouldnât deter the cartels.
Rampant smuggling occurs even on the China-North Korea border and the North Koreans know a thing or two about insulating oneself.
You want safer borders? Make Mexico great. The better the situation in Mexico is, less Mexicans will want to emigrate to the US. GDP growth also reduces fertility rates thereby affecting the population pyramid reducing the number of single young males making the first (illegal) crossing into the country.
Also, youâd make Mexico more attractive to immigrants from Central/South America due to the shared language.
When two countries with a significant difference in GDP share a border, a whole industry of seediness springs up (cough Tijuana cough) on the lesser developed side with corresponding high rates of violence. This is true not only for country borders but for gated communities as well - as soon as a gated community is built, crime rates outside of the community spike.
Once again - make Mexico great and help them address the woeful security problem - after all, increased cartel violence is related to lower profit margins from illegal drug sales. Thereâs less money to go around.
Iâm 100% down TBH. Not specifically on the wall, because the cost and scope alone seem way too expensive, but some form of public service like that.
So we not only try to rebuild the middle east in our own image, subsidize Europeâs defense⌠etc.
Now we have to make Mexico not a shit hole?
Talk about world police. While that may be effective. I donât think it can be done.
As I watch and listen to Trump more and moreâŚthe more I realize just how much he draws from the âDemagogue PlaybookââŚkeep the followers energizedâŚkeep them angryâŚand keep it all about âusâ vs âthemâ.
And quite franklyâŚthe man is a Master.
The other thing about Trumpsâs âbaseâ numbers. As with the election; I think the polls are still not recognizing or reflecting that âsilent minorityâ of voters that are behind Trump as much as the true âTrumpstersâ. I honestly think that the only difference in the two groups is that for the âsilent minorityââŚTrump may make them âuncomfortableââŚand you will never see them sporting a âMAGAâ hatâŚbut they will press that Voting screen for him without hesitation.
I think these Polls are getting it wrongâŚagain.
What makes you think that? Has Trumpâs blunders not been enough thus far to make you think many people that voted âAgainst HRCâ (not for Trump) are fed up with him?
No more that just this âgutâ feeling, pfury.
Demagogues eventually self-destructâŚbut not before they wreak a lot of chaos and havoc.
AlsoâŚwhat alternative are âclosetâ Trump supporters seeingâŚSchumer and Pelosi?
You may as well have a special election and give Trump a second Term now.
Trump has threatened a Government Shutdown if he doesnât get the funding for âThe Wallâ.
My question is two fold:
CAN he do it?
WILL he do it?
Thatâs the thing though, Mufasa: the polls werenât wrong. The state polls in those three crucial swing states (PA, MI & WI) missed their mark, but the national polls were pretty much spot on. And the approval polls that are in the news weekly are national polls.
They donât need a dem alternative to vote for, they just need not to vote. As recent polls show, while Trumpâs approval among republicans is still in the 70% range, itâs taken a huge hit recently. The enthusiasm has waned considerably. As Iâve said before, I wonât make a prediction on 2020 as it is too far off, but a lot of people that voted for him last time just might not show up.
And he has a rock-solid base probably somewhere in the mid-20s that wonât bail him for any reason. If his approval falls much further, though, I think youâll see the GOP start to abandon ship pretty quickly.
Even the most inward looking country in the world would want stable and prosperous neighbors if for nothing else than to act as buffer states.
Chaos has a tendency to spill over whether itâs Mexican gangs in Texas, Russian mobsters in Norway or Chinese people smugglers in Russia proper.
Think how much Canada being well, Canada contributed to the economic and political wellbeing of the US.
Imagine what would have been if you had, letâs say 1990s Russia up north and the challenges of building the Great Northern Wall â˘
Youâre not seeing past the basic strategy. Republicans had YEARS to work on tearing down HRC, and she still came out with a pretty gross popular vote win. Why would anyone thatâs a serious contender for POTUS in 2020 start the murmurs of it now and give Trump 3 years to tweet about their mistakes?
The GOP is effective with their strategies, but theyâre not creative. Pick a topic. Latch on. Beat dead horse until redead. If they donât have time to prepare for a candidate, the smear campaign isnât nearly as effective.
I would also take relative silence amongst high ranking Dems to be a good thing. For one, it means theyâre focused on the issue at hand and donât want to be seen âcampaigningâ in the same way Trump already has started to. Second, it means (to me) we have a lower chance of seeing a longtime establishment Dem run, which I believe is a great idea.
The democrats would LOVE for this to happen. They have no incentive to cave.
Haha now weâre at two options. Shut down (it requires 60 votes, no democrat will vote for that), or he is shown to be bluffing again. Either looks bad for him, but then again I donât know how to play 4D chess.
Serious question. Has Trump been found to not be bluffing yet? Iâm trying to remember a situation where he made a threat and it wasnât a bluff.