Then you shouldn’t be on this forum because outside of mathematics almost nothing is black and white.
If you’re arguing that a ‘publish or perish’ mindset among academic institutions has a downside, I won’t disagree. But that mindset is a function of the academic zeitgeist, not the government funders.
Private industries cannot build effective products or services on deeply flawed scientific research. when money is guaranteed as it often is with government money, that is not the case. In essence, the government facilitates much of the fuckery that occurs in academia that I mentioned
Mufasa
March 21, 2017, 5:10pm
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zeb1:
“…The arts are great whether it is opera or a local playhouse that keeps the classic plays alive. We are having a local argument over this very topic this year. Some want our City to stop funding the local playhouse claiming that the money spent could be used for improvements for the streets and sidewalks. And it’s hard to argue that these things are not important. But, in the end man does not live by bread alone. Exposing children, young adults and even those who have been around but never had the opportunity to see a live play is important as well. Things like this are able to change people emotionally for the better. It is what I like to call life enriching. Yes, streets and sidewalks are a must. But life must be more than just that. Certainly there is room in every budget for these life enriching events…plays, opera, ballet. Even if it means that local politicians take a small pay cut…”
(Okay…where did Zeb go?) (lol!)
Great post, my friend…and I must admit…unexpected!
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zeb1:
The arts are great whether it is opera or a local playhouse that keeps the classic plays alive. We are having a local argument over this very topic this year. Some want our City to stop funding the local playhouse claiming that the money spent could be used for improvements for the streets and sidewalks. And it’s hard to argue that these things are not important. But, in the end man does not live by bread alone. Exposing children, young adults and even those who have been around but never had the opportunity to see a live play is important as well. Things like this are able to change people emotionally for the better. It is what I like to call life enriching. Yes, streets and sidewalks are a must. But life must be more than just that. Certainly there is room in every budget for these life enriching events…plays, opera, ballet. Even if it means that local politicians take a small pay cut.
Who logged in under zeb’s account this time?
Mick28, is that you?
ADMIT IT!
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Have any of you been to a modern art museum lately? It’s 90% degenerate. Here’s one called dyke with a paintbrush. I swear nowadays modern art is mostly an outlet for the more mentally disturbed members of the left
norse84
March 21, 2017, 5:36pm
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Soooo, the free market got the job done regardless of government financing? Yuh don’t say…
therajraj:
Private industries cannot build effective products or services on deeply flawed scientific research. when money is guaranteed as it often is with government money, that is not the case. In essence, the government facilitates much of the fuckery that occurs in academia that I mentioned
Once again, you’re out of your depth. In general, it is government-sponsored research that is at the vanguard of scientific advancement–not private monies. With a few notable exceptions (eg, Bell Labs), private entities tends to be myopic–if no immediate payoff is foreseeable, they aren’t going to invest.
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EyeDentist:
therajraj:
Private industries cannot build effective products or services on deeply flawed scientific research. when money is guaranteed as it often is with government money, that is not the case. In essence, the government facilitates much of the fuckery that occurs in academia that I mentioned
Once again, you’re out of your depth. In general, it is government-sponsored research that is at the vanguard of scientific advancement–not private monies. With a few notable exceptions (eg, Bell Labs), private entities tends to be myopic–if no immediate payoff is foreseeable, they aren’t going to invest.
Private industries will have no problem investing in any and all research that is economically valuable.
All other research that is not will only be conducted if they received charity. Ever heard of Kickstarter?
That’s how an unmolested free market works.
ActivitiesGuy:
BTW, stuff like this is why it’s really hard to identify specifically as a Democrat or Republican these days. On certain issues, I find the Democrat position more aligned with my personal beliefs; on others, I’m with the Republicans; and on many, I dislike both parties!
Welcome to my world. Haha.
Talking about very specific policy is the only way we’ll see improvement on this. The trouble is we don’t have the time to really understand every policy issue, so we end up taking sides and defending things we may not really understand. You have a sort of insider’s perspective on the arts since your wife is an opera singer. I really care about land use policies particularly in rural areas, because it’s something I know about in a real world/ real people way. For most things, we’re just looking at catch phrases and teaming up. It’s really problematic.
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^^ See this.
That’s what happens when government steps aside. People pay for things they see value in.
therajraj:
Private industries will have no problem investing in any and all research that is economically valuable.
All other research that is not will only be conducted if they received charity. Ever heard of Kickstarter?
That’s how an unmolested free market works.
The problem is, there are times when the economic value of research cannot be foreseen at the time the research is being contemplated/conducted. Hence the importance in investing in basic research for research’s sake.
That’s how the real world works.
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Sounds good to me. So, no federal or state dollars for the border wall. Let’s see the free market generate the $15+ billion needed to build it.
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EyeDentist:
therajraj:
Private industries will have no problem investing in any and all research that is economically valuable.
All other research that is not will only be conducted if they received charity. Ever heard of Kickstarter?
That’s how an unmolested free market works.
The problem is, there are times when the economic value of research cannot be foreseen at the time the research is being contemplated/conducted. Hence the importance in investing in basic research for research’s sake.
That’s how the real world works.
I’d take that ^ over the heaping piles of junk science environment that we currently live in.
So we can do away with the defense budget, then? Surely people will happily pay for something as valuable as defending the homeland.
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I agree.
If everyone was given an annual bill for the Iraq war, it would have never taken place or ended very quickly.
Because, like the rest of us, you currently enjoy the benefits of basic-science research that was conducted in absence of foreseeable economic value, I will file this comment under ‘talk is cheap.’
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EyeDentist:
Since, like the rest of us, you currently enjoy the benefits of basic-science research that was conducted in absence of foreseeable economic value, I will file this comment under ‘talk is cheap.’
You make it sound as though I have a choice.
BRB going to stack up on onions for GAINZ.
He guys!
Have you heard of this before? (sorry if I am second) Apparently feeding rats onion juice increases their Testosterone by about 300%. Sounds like an April fools joke to me, but it seems to be legit.
Read for info:
Please also read the abstract of the study (or the study as a whole), because the both state different amounts of onions. So it is not really clear to me how much is needed for a possible effect in humans.
Read for more info:
Let the farting begin?
I will await raj’s response to this with bated breath.
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Would a wall even be necessary in the absence of a welfare state and no drug laws?
Arguably not
