How anti-science of you.
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You are conflating race with ancestry. They are not the same.
Oh I know. I’m boycotting it. How to avoid using gravity has me stymied though.
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Oh now thats preeeetty
Had not 1, but 2 girlfriends whose fathers had one of these and also a buddy on the swim team. Pretty common in the 70s and lots of fun to drive.
We’ll get an indication on Monday.
Ancestry is just more specific. When people mention race it completely aligns with their ancestry
I also agree to their underlying point that race and culture are tethered and as Steve King said - you can’t restore your civilization with other people’s babies.
Most ethnic enclaves are facsimiles of their ancestral homeland. A China town in Australia will look the same as one in Canada
I donno, man. I’m pretty stubborn, but if I had a real life (right leaning) scientist and a published (left leaning) MD telling me I’m wrong, I’d probably re-evaluate my position…
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By your own citation, “completely aligns” is overstating the case. But setting that aside, once ancestry is taken into account, the concept of genetic ‘race’ is rendered superfluous. In essence, it is reduced to a sloppy, flawed, shorthand/placeholder for ancestry. (For example, the paper’s authors didn’t even try to define or measure ‘race’ objectively; rather, they let participants self-report it.) In statistical terms, once ancestry is entered into the genetics analysis, there seems to be no variance unaccounted for that can/should be attributed to another construct (that being race).
This is literally the most un-American thing they could assert. The entire premise of the US qua a nation is that issues such as race, creed and color are entirely irrelevant to its existence. As JFK put it, ours is “a government of laws and not of men.” The validity of this premise has been borne out over and over during the course of the ‘American experiment,’ and there is absolutely no reason to believe that current demographic trends will demonstrate otherwise.
And Steve King is a disgusting, reprehensible racist. It is an embarrassment to America that he has a role in governance.
What proportion of Americans of Chinese ancestry live in a ‘Chinatown’? The number is vanishingly small. How many American cities even have an area called Chinatown? Let’s see…San Francisco, New York…that’s all I got. And these areas are defined/maintained at least as much for tourism purposes as for anything else.
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- Let me define race for you.
Race is about relatedness. A group of persons related by common descent or hereditary. Think of race as an extended family in that you are more genetically similar to a Russian living in Siberia than you are an African American your family has lived side by side for multiple generations.
And before race is debased to just being about the “melanin in your skin” think of any famous South Asian celebrity - Vijay Singh, Aziz Ansari etc. Their skin colors are just as dark as the average African American yet nobody in America celebrates them as African American. When Vijay Singh was in his prime and up there with Tiger, did he even register any interest in America? Guess why not?
- Wrong. America is a nation of colonists who, along with their descendants, created, built, and nourished America into a great nation, perhaps the greatest the world has ever known. Immigrants came later, and they were for a long while chosen from stock populations that were not too dissimilar from the founding stock of America (African slaves stand as a glaring exception). It was not until relatively recently (1965 onward) that immigrants significantly deviated in numbers and racial congeniality from the historical norm of immigration into America.
Here is the law from 1790:
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The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. [/quote]
- The more a population concentrates, the more and more that area will take on the characteristics and customs of that population’s ancestral country. Have you noticed businesses and the government have started to support a Spanish language option even though English is the only official language? That’s because there will be ~100 million latinos in America in about 20 years.
First things first. Tell me: How many races are there, and how are they defined; ie, what are the variables that are measured/assessed in determining the race to which an individual belongs?
If you go back far enough, you will find that all of us–every human alive today–share a common ancestry. Does that mean we are all one race?
Edit: If it does, I have a suggestion for a name. Let’s call it the ‘human race.’
Um, because Tiger was a charismatic American who dominated the sport, whereas Singh was a taciturn Fijian who, while unquestionably a great golfer, was never at Tiger’s level?
No, you are the one who is wrong here. The FFs explicitly made America a nation of laws, and were at pains to exclude sociocultural accoutrements as defining characteristics of citizenship. The American Experiment has not been without its flaws (slavery, along with its evil cousin racism, being the most obvious and egregious), but I think it’s fair to say it’s been successful–and resilient–from a proof-of-concept perspective. America has absorbed immigrants of all sorts, and is the richer for having done so.
Immigrants to America tend not to do that, especially past their first generation. (Hence the dearth of American Chinatowns.)
No, what I have noticed is that the US does not have an “official language.”
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This is probably one of the funniest raj-isms yet.
If you’re depending on “Tiger Woods was more popular than Vijay Singh” to make a point about race relations in America, I think you’re doing it wrong.
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There’s a whole industry out there that goes to great lengths to celebrate the achievements of blacks in non traditional arenas in this case golf. The point I’m trying to make is when people say black they’re talking about African ancestry and not skin color. Otherwise Vijay Singh whose skin is dark as an average African American would have been celebrated.
I’m not at home will answer other stuff later
Tiger Woods is mixed…
He is, but we’re a pretty dichromatic society. If you aren’t white- you’re black, and vice versa.
I worked with a guy this past summer- pale skinned, blue eyes, sun streaked afro-dreads- Black. Funniest damn thing I’ve seen in a while as identity goes. By July I was darker than him, and I’m scots-irish/irish. We’d crack a lot of jokes on each other about it, especially when one of us forgot the sunblock.
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First things first. Tell me: How many races are there, and how are they defined; ie, what are the variables that are measured/assessed in determining the race to which an individual belongs?[/quote]
How many neighborhoods are there in the place where you live?
For some purposes, an extremely simple breakdown into, say, City vs. Suburbs is most useful. For other uses, an extremely detailed set of neighborhood names is helpful:
Similarly, racial groups can be lumped into vast continental-scale agglomerations or split as finely as you like.
For instance, should New World Indians be considered a separate race—or merely a subset of East Asians?
Every system of categorization runs into disputes between “lumpers” and “splitters.” Whether lumping or splitting is more appropriate depends upon the situation.
And things change over time as the races separated and were exposed to different evolutionary pressures. For instance the blue eyed mutation is estimated to be only 6000-10000 years old.
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No, you are the one who is wrong here. The FFs explicitly made America a nation of laws, and were at pains to exclude sociocultural accoutrements as defining characteristics of citizenship. The American Experiment has not been without its flaws (slavery, along with its evil cousin racism, being the most obvious and egregious), but I think it’s fair to say it’s been successful–and resilient–from a proof-of-concept perspective. America has absorbed immigrants of all sorts, and is the richer for having done so.[/quote]
I don’t really feel like going over this for millionth time but there are plenty of quotes from the FF showing they were racialists and preferred their ancestry over others. Even up the line you can read quotes from presidents such as Teddy Roosevelt and others, they were white nationalists, arguably anglo-nationalists.
How this is any different than this?