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Trump: 2020 and Beyond

I hated Antigone. I liked the more adventurous stuff from the Greeks, either Herodotus’ Histories or Xenophon’s Anabasis - wanton murder, lethal cuckoldry, dolphin rides, merciless pillaging and so on…

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Toxic masculinity.

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You read my previous statement that MSM and DNC are joined at the hip.

Why would she think media that affirms her every utterance would require its listeners to have discernment? Or why would I need a commentary to help me understand what she is driving at? She is actually more truthful than many of her colleagues, saying exactly how she wants to transform society.

And totally dangerous to our Republic.

If she isn’t talking about the media, then who is she talking about?

You’re caught up with your classwork, aren’t you? lol

It doesn’t matter because a game is on. It’s Arsenal but it’s better than golf.

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I hate golf with a passion but this performance against Palace comes close…

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There are two games I had to choose from to watch live. I chose to watch Arsenal live and Atalanta on demand. Don’t laugh.

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ART.

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This is a fine piece of writing with a seamless transition:

Audrey Ann Southard spent years helping kids find their creative voices and strengthening her own.

The Spring Hill vocal coach and piano teacher sang like an angel when she posted videos of herself crooning Norah Jones’ Don’t Know Why or belting out Memory from Cats , and when she went to Sicily in 2012 for an international music competition, she won.

That led to a showcase on a stage inside New York’s Carnegie Hall.

More recently, Southard used her powerful soprano to scream at police officers that they should “tell f–king Pelosi we’re coming for her! F–king traitorous c–ts, we’re coming! We’re coming for all of you!” She was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

“We’re pushing through. Boys, ready to go again?” she shouts back to the crowd, before yelling at an officer, “last breath or last bullet, what’s it going to be?”

Had me going in the first half :joy:

I have read this quote several times. A Capital Police officer was killed. I guess you got your wish, “his last breath”. There are many things I would like to say here, but, the vast majority would get me banned. I have been to too many military and police officer funerals and to read your extremely cavalier quote is disgusting. What are warrior you are, leading the cause to kill a police officer and assault our very foundation of democracy. Soak away in your sedition juices, knowing you are a true piece of shit.

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Food for thought:

*From General Don Bolduc (Army Ret):

At our Capitol, we all saw what the violence looks like. We also saw that it solves nothing. It only creates more problems.

Let’s not forget the violence that was committed in our cities, over the past year, which went unanswered by many elected officials. The destruction of property, loss of life, and serious injury to our law enforcement officers were wrong. The cry for justice, law, and order was ignored. Last year’s violence also solved nothing and created more problems.

This is not the fault of Trump or Biden supporters: they are caught in the middle. It is the fault of a corrupt political system driven by self-serving politicians, biased media, political hacks, wealthy elites, and special interests.

We are too quick to blame each other when instead it is the collective fault of our political leaders on both sides of the aisle. We must join forces to work together and hold them accountable. We should not let them exploit us and pit Americans against Americans. They count on this to control us and keep themselves in power.

The 2020 presidential election, the COVID pandemic and the resulting economic crisis, violence in our cities, and the attack on the Capitol have created a perfect storm of concerned citizens. These citizens believe they are not being listened to on a multitude of issues including voter fraud, the economy, the pandemic, public debt, safety and security, healthcare, and education.

Now, due to frustrated citizens that have been ignored by their elected officials at all levels of government, we have more violence, death, and injury.

*The 2020 election has become the catalyst for increased divisiveness in America. The question is how do we fix it so it does not happen again. *

To preserve liberty, we must return to the real legacy of our founding fathers. We have had one revolution; we do not need another one. We have had one civil war; we do not need another. Nevertheless, we do need a political establishment revolution that replaces the politics of power, money, and self-service with the politics of character, integrity, and selfless service.

The legacy of our founding fathers put in place a political process where character and integrity matter. This was framed around the concept of “We the People.”

The process is one of agreement and disagreement, debate, redress, respect, and compromise. This has kept our republic and democracy vibrant for 244 years. The founding fathers’ process put the people first and was committed to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. As Jefferson had warned, “the government will one day be corrupt and filled with liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth.” Few serving now in Congress reflect these principles and values.

Currently, the real danger is that our elected federal representatives on both sides of the aisle will continue to follow their divisive, ineffective approach that has weakened our republic. The idea of governance that has emerged on both sides is characterized by name-calling, finger-pointing, mutual blaming, and a lack of accountability. This divisiveness continues as we see calls for impeachment, social media bans, a boycott of the inauguration, and the fence going up around the Capitol.

These must stop. Both parties are at fault for what happened at the Capitol and in our cities over the past year. It is time to move forward and bring the triad of the people, government, and our politicians closer together.

The Romans, under the concept of Senātus Populusque Rōmānus, believed that all authority came from the people. People, in this sense, meant the whole government, and when this was not followed the Roman government failed. The further apart the people are from their government and elected officials the bigger problems.

Like many of you that follow XXXXXX, I have experienced violence and behavior like this in many countries. We have risked our lives to stop it. To experience this in America is not good nor right. This is not the American way… we have to be better and come together as a nation.

To do better, I respectfully submit, that we must focus on promoting public service and a return to a government that exists for the common good. For the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people. Not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class.

Our focus must be on the people and on a grassroots, bottom-up rallying of Americans that want elected officials to work for them. This must include being more inclusive, less divisive, and focused on real problems. We must talk to each other when we disagree, not avoid each other. We must develop unity by building trust, demonstrating understanding, and being respectful. Political parties, political hacks, biased media, and career politicians have got us into this very dangerous situation.

We live in a different time where corporation-owned media, misguided wealthy elites, career politicians, and special interests have corrupted the political system and process to the point where it no longer serves the best interests of the commonweal. We need leaders that are driven by their faith in God, a strong belief in Family, the importance of a stable community, and a commitment to a safe and secure Country.

We need change. We cannot continue to elect the same career politicians with the same ideas and approaches and expect a better outcome for our families, communities, and country.

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Hahahahahahaha

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With respect to you idaho as I usually find your posts thoughtful and enlightening…

There are some good, broad ideas in that letter, but it misses the mark in a number of ways. It’s a fair point that the violence committed during BLM riots wasn’t dealt with properly by several states, and local jurisdictions. For example, the indulgence of the Seattle mayor with the CHOP or whatever it was called was ridiculous. Equally ridiculous was Trump’s rhetoric and actions such as:

  • Trump’s tweet “when the looting starts, the shooting starts”.
  • Trump’s upside down bible walk when peaceful protesters were tear-gassed

It’s also a false equivalence to compare BLM protesters with the white supremist terrorists at the Capital. The BLM movement, misguided and wrong as they are in a lot of ways, is not a movement based on supporting Joe Biden. The riot at the Capital was an organized effort to keep Trump in power. It’s not even a Republican or conservative movement, but one based on supporting one man.

The general’s letter also excuses personal responsibility for those who committed crimes here;

"Let’s not forget the violence that was committed in our cities, over the past year, which went unanswered by many elected officials. The destruction of property, loss of life, and serious injury to our law enforcement officers were wrong. The cry for justice, law, and order was ignored. Last year’s violence also solved nothing and created more problems.

This is not the fault of Trump or Biden supporters: they are caught in the middle. It is the fault of a corrupt political system driven by self-serving politicians, biased media, political hacks, wealthy elites, and special interests.

Bullshit. Those who individuals who committed crimes during riots at the Capital or any BLM riot last year are guilty and should be held accountable. Those who incited the riots should be held accountable as well.

The general is correct in that biased media is a problem. However, at the moment we have a bigger problem with the conspiracy theories that are so prominent right now. The most damaging one at the moment is the QAnon movement. It’s a movement that is being actively promoted by Trump and other members of our government. These are the people who are far and away primarily responsible for the attack on our Capital. To lump other people into this as being at equal fault is complete bs.

In the weeks after the election, it was amazing, but somehow not surprising that Trump continued to deny that he lost the election. As the situation has continued the effects of his continued denial of reality is sinking in and it’s clear that it has been extremely damaging to the country. We will always have crazy people who believe ridiculous things that the read on the web, but to have a sitting President who believes the lies and promotes them and the members of congress who actively go along with it makes the problem exponentially worse.

In short, the General’s letter gets a C grade at best. The assault on the Capital is the fault of:

A. The people who committed the crimes during the riot
B. Trump and the members of congress who have been actively promoting the lie that he actually won the election

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“That’s not the jewel she’s talkin’ about” - ZZ Top

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From what l have read multiple times, she has been a fan of pearl necklaces for many years.

Dang it @cyclonengineer beat me to the punch(line).

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The problem is that with BLM you have more than one group of people. You had genuine peaceful protestors. You can’t compare them to the mob at the Capitol. But then you had the looters and criminals who saw an opportunity to steal, vandalize and burn things down.

You also had Antifa and Antifa types who believe it’s ok to use violence to get what they want. They hate both Republicans and Democrats.

The problem is that left leaning media did not differentiate. The mob in Portland was referred to as anti racism protesters. No. They are simply using that as cover to look like the good guys. They really want to destroy everything.

The problem for law enforcement and for us as a nation is, what do we do about violent mobs? Do we really want to shoot looters? Do we really want to kill Antifa rioters? Do we really want to have the Capitol covered with dead bodies?

It’s easy to say the response to violence over the summer was not good. But I don’t blame the cops; they should not be killing Americans unless it’s self defense.

I also think we need to keep in mind that one big difference between what happened at the Capitol and what happened over the summer is that at the Capitol there were people who were a direct threat to the lives of senators and the VP. They had plans to kidnap or kill them.

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[quote=“zecarlo, post:825, topic:270726, full:true”]
It’s easy to say the response to violence over the summer was not good. But I don’t blame the cops; they should not be killing Americans unless it’s self defense. [/quote]

Agreed. Additionally, i think LEO response over the summer was initially overly aggressive, which then lead to a rebound effect where political leaders nuetered them and led to overly lenient policies and lack of response, but by the end of the summer a better middle ground was found as shown how the PDX nightly mini-riot was eventually handled. Essentially, prioritize protect and defend over matching force with overwhelming force. I think anyone who wanted capitol police to just open up with live ammo indiscriminantly is a dolt.

Also, this insurrection was stirred up and supported by the most powerful person in our country whose intent was to subvert a free and fair election and the peaceful transfer of power away from himself while convincing tens of millions that if they didnt get their way it could have ONLY been because the other half of the country is the enemy of america. The whataboutism and false equivalency arguments that people feel COMPELLED to make when analyzing the events of last week just speak to their inability to comprehend the full scope of how fucked up it was/is.

That is why I have to believe this is an elaborate troll that started on 4chan. This cannot be a grassroots self own.