Trouble with wimmins

Paul: On the love level, maybe the ping-pong theory could be of help here. When you give, and nothing comes back, drop the game. No sense wasting your life, time, energy, etc. on a player who does not even return your service. Heck, if you are not even being returned an equal quality answer to your offer now, why hope you will later? Added bonus: weeds out parasites (emotional, financial, etc) in your life real quick too!

Works fine with acquaintances. Not necessarily applicable where many factors are in the balance, like deeper friendships. Use judgment.

On the other hand, depends what you can endure, too. If you still want that relationship for other reasons (acknowledging you can live without her love), stop dreaming and lower your expectations.

Bottom line: You draw the line on what you accept out of life, people and your own turf. People will respond to your incentives, whatever they are. Don’t like the status quo? Change the terms of the offer. People won’t change for you…except the ones who truly value about the relationship…except some common-sense give-and-take with these ones. They’re few but they’re worth it.

Paul,
I dont know if I should even be responding to this thread being that I couldn’t even say “hello” to the waitress at Applebee’s I had a crush on…haha. But it seems to me that she is not interested in a relationship with you. Friendship…yes, relationship no. Then again, maybe she just doesn’t know how you feel and is just waiting for you to make the move so to speak. Maybe it wouldn’t hurt to tell her how you feel. At the very least, you will know where you stand. I have a hard time accepting the fact that she likes spending all this time with you and is not interested in taking the next step. Does she hang out with other guys as much as she hangs out with you? I’m sure you can express how you feel to her tactfully in a way that won’t scare her off or make her feel uncomfortable. Like I said, at the very least…atleast you will know where you stand. Just take her out to dinner or something and say something along the lines of, “listen, I would really like to know how you feel about us. I love our friendship and cherish it, but I can’t help but feel that there is something more here. I enjoy spending time with you and I would like to think that you feel the same way. But, I have developed stronger feelings other than friendship with you and I was wondering whether or not you feel the the same way?” I dont know…something like that? Like I said, I am sure you can think of something more tactful. But I really think you need to tell her how you feel. How else are you ever going to find out???

Chrismcl…well, today is Monday…have you spoken to the girl??? What happened?? Kudos to you my man. It takes alot of courage to do what you did. Awesome! You are so money and you dont even know it!..haha

What the hell dude…Doogie was right and so was Karma(I didn’t know there was really women out there like you…A heard about it but thought it was a myth! where were you before i got married?)Look Paul, when you come home alone and drunk, just pop in some porn run one to get over the blue balls and go to sleep and sober up. Then, in the morning sak up and let her know how you feel but tone down the essence shit or you’ll freak her out. If she “just wants to be friends” you 'll know where you stand. Plus, friend fucking is in these days.

Guru X

A few words on being a challenge, game-playing, revealing one’s feelings, and what not.

Last summer, I had an 8-week internship at my town’s police department (I had worked there the previous summer as well). When I walked in the first day, I saw a gorgeous girl my age that had not been there a year ago. During the first two weeks of this job, I didn’t speak to her at all. I didn’t want to jeopardize the internship because I had a hard-on for her. Better leave it alone, I reasoned. However, by week three, I couldn’t resist. She was absolutely smoking. I formally introduced myself and our first conversation lasted for about an hour. We were eating fucking jellybeans together at her desk, laughing it up, ignoring our work, and demeaning others like seasoned office veterans. It was great, really one of the happiest times for me in recent memory. This continued for the next few days. She gave me compliments, smiled, flirted, and playfully touched me.

On Friday, I asked her if she wanted to go out with me that weekend. She said, “what do you mean? I have a boyfriend.” Uh, shock. Are you kidding me? I think I just said “oh, okay” and walked away. I avoided her the rest of the day because I was pissed. I felt that she misled me. During the weekend, I thought about what happened and decided to continue to ignore her. It didn’t work out and it was time to move on. I was polite and said hello when I saw her, but I did nothing else.

As soon as she realized what I was doing, she resumed flirting, touching, and complimenting me. I didn’t initiate anything. I didn’t know what the hell was going on so I confronted her. Do you like me or not, I asked her? Her answer was that I was a great guy, but she was in love with her boyfriend. She explained that he was very talkative and firtatious. She called it her “nature.” She apologized for misleading me in any way.

And that’s about it. I didn’t speak to her for the rest of my time at work. Thankfully, that only amounted to a week. I didn’t even say goodbye to her on my last day. I could have told her to call or e-mail me to keep in touch, but I decided against it. I wonder what’s she doing now and if she’s still with her boyfriend. God, I liked that chick.

“…he was very talkative and firtatious.”

That should read “she.”

CMC, she’s not worth it, if your version of events is accurate. You shouldn’t hide behind your “nature” to do things without consequence. Flirting with you for an hour a day for over a week without mentioning a boyfriend says one of two things - either she doesn’t want to mention him in order to keep you interested, or he’s really a putz and she doesn’t want to talk about him.

You must understand that if a girl does this, she’s still fair game in the bag ‘n’ shag department. Girls with boyfriends are the best. They don’t want to cuddle for hours on end, you never have to meet the parents, you can’t buy her gifts, and you get laid.

Bigprljmfn, Welcome back! So the b-day bash was all sorts of fun, eh? I’ve kind of distanced myself from “coming of age parties” ever since some guy started talking to me in the middle of his. It wouldn’t have been so bad if we hadn’t been standing in the mens room, taking care of business. He was slurring about everything, and I was trying to keep from getting peed on! BTW, my brother-in-law was at the Pearl Jam show in Phx the other night. Loved it.

Ok man, I’m gonna break it down for you since I’ve unfortunately been in the same situation. The girl in my case was in the process of getting her heart broken by a guy she wanted to marry but turned out to be a cheating, spoiled, pretty boy who couldn’t appreciate what he had. This is a dangerous time to try to initiate anything serious with a girl and I hope your friend is not in this place. If she is, run Forrest run.

Timing is everything. If she is insecure or on the rebound, you don’t want to put yourself into the position to be her emotional tampon. Don’t kid yourself by thinking that when she gets over her heartache/issues, she will be grateful for you being there for her. You and your testicles need to join forces and tell her that you’re not that guy. Like everyone else said, if she’s not reciprocating, find someone else who will. Don’t play games, she will make up her mind quick fast if she sees that you’re able to get with other girls and you’re not going to wait around for her. If she feels like she has you wrapped around her finger, she can just play you for as long as you let her.

I know one girl who married her best friend. She feels that he is her soulmate, yet he does not do it for her sexually. They’ve been divorced/separated twice now, in which time my friend and I both hit it, and now she’s back with her husband. I’m sorry, but physical attraction and great sex is very important in a relationship. If she’s not feeling it, no one is happy.

Bottom line: she knows what she’s doing. Shc can tell how you feel by the way you act. She probably gets off on it. The vixens may take offense to this, but some women are so insecure that their egos are like tires with a leak that needs constant pumping. Decide what you want. If you truly want to be just friends, continue the way you have been. If you feel you want something more but she’s just not willing to go your way right now, you know what you have to do. Find a fuck buddy. Be strong brother. If you’re a decent guy, you know you don’t need to put up with any bullshit.

It’s true what they say about knowing right away when you meet someone. The night my girlfriend and I met, we knew it was on.

I believe what Chris Rock actually said was, “platonic friends are ones you ain’t fucked yet.”

First off I have to say I am at a point where a relationship is lower on the list than it had been previously. My attitude is, “Who the fuck cares?”. But that won’t cut it for you. One hard and fast rule I live by is- if you let your emotions get to this point without expressing them you may have already fucked up the opportunity. Why? Well its easy. Both of you need to walk this path together. If you let your emotions move along without trying to help her cultivate her own for you, then she is no longer on the same path as you. You have already deviated and to come back to the same path is extremely difficult sometimes. So, act now before all hope is lost! I know I’m not sounding too encourageing but you can’t afford to let this go on any longer without hitting it right between the eyes. If in fact she likes you in anyway worth developing (good friends or otherwise) she will respect you when you express yourself plainly and without hint of obsessiveness. Don’t let your emotions overflow without reciprication, most women I know are extremely turned off by that. In our culture we jokingly talk about the chase and how its usually the men chasing the women. But in all reality it seems to work better when the women passively pursue the men. She will choose you and make you chase her if she is interested. But if she wants you then she’ll let you catch her. Right now I’d say you do have the chase in your favor as she continues to let you pursue her but, she obviously has not let you get her yet. Also, it may be a test. Some women and men will see how long you are willing to hang out on the sidelines before you force the issue. The longer they have to wait for you to step up to the plate the less interested in you they become. I used to get disgusted by this behavior but now I understand it. It has to do with instincts really. Men are supposed to be the bigger risk takers. If you don’t take the risk then you are veiwed as being weak and timid. If she is doing this eventually she will think of you as a play thing and use you for attention only.

Damn, I’m not the only one that this has happened to. I’ve been getting fed bullshit from this one girl for about 3 months and I kinda knew she was playing games but I didn’t know for sure. Then we had a graduation party(college) at a bar she works at and I was there for 2 hours until I found out she had a boyfriend. And she never told me. I was having a conversation with another guy and he introduced himself as her boyfriend. Man was I pissed and this is after she told me she was single. I hinted around her a few times to tell me the truth before this but she never told me. I just don’t have time for that kind of bull. And then after that happened she fed me more bullshit and kinda kept it open. She told me I was a great guy and I was real cool and that her and this guy were still new. This just happenend to me about a week ago. I feel for you.

lots of good posts. Bottom line with this woman is, she’s getting an ego boost from you being intoxicated with her because the guy who’s fucking her when he wants to never compliments her. You spill your guts and what will you get as thanks? Blue balls. I’m not knocking you; I’ve been there, bro, and know way too many other guys who have too. Start flirting and dating as many woman as you can so that you become the selector instead of giving away your power…