Tried Every Protocol Out There

No there is not. Individual differences apply here. I would base nothing on the daily labs, I just wanted to see how he is metabolizing this stuff and if there is any possible explanation to the way he responds day to day. I have never had anyone report anything like this. I’m as clueless as anyone else, just trying to help him out.

Hope that makes sense.

But what do you think of doing less freqvent shots? Do any of your patients with 17-23 shbg do less freqvent like e5-e7 days?

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I think it is fine for 85-90% of the guys, if not more.

Patients with SHBG all over the place dose once weekly. There are single digit guys taking 200mg once a week. I think I’ve posted one, SHBG of 3. I can’t say I’ve found a significant correlation with dosing frequency, levels and SHBG. At first, when I started looking for it, I thought I did, but it isn’t there, at least with what I see. I know this will upset some people here.

Also, while I have heard it discussed at post doc medical conferences, it has never been mentioned as a factor for determining dosing frequency, only the dose.

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I see. It was this i Wanted to se cause it so much information on testosterone forums telling peapol more freqvent injections is better with lower shbg and i cant say i feelt better on more freqvent injection just worse and it complicate the whole thing.

Is there any reason to do subq instead of im?

Maybe if injecting frequent, small, doses.

Just 20 days in on 80mg e5d now but i can say the samething now on this protocol that i feel better from day 3-5 after injection. Day after injection and day 2 i feel kind of grympy and irritataded not so social and not much motivation. What can the problem be? To much t-e ratio? To much dht?. Will keep it the same and take labs in 4-5 weeks

I am very sensitive to T and have ended up on a lower dose than most after a lot of error and trial. What you described in your first post is what I get on a dose that would be a joke to most here.

I know you said something about the dose not seeming to matter, but of course they build on each other, so if you are going with a certain amount for so many EOD’s in a row and then “only” do 20mg it’s still building on the previous doses and would predictably cause a repeat of some of your symptoms as things begin to “spike”. I don’t know what the longest time is that you tried a lower dose, and what that dose was.

I would stick with the current dose unless it’s not tenable, and then after 9 weeks on it if you are still going through the same thing, maybe try lowering it somewhat but staying with E5D and definitely no more frequent than that. Maybe 60mg E5D?

I am a rare case who had luck lowering my dose - and discovered it by accident. I do not normally suggest other people follow this course but you are obviously sensitive to the initial spike and I know from my own experience that it is at least possible to control the initial spike symptoms by simply lowering the dose.

Weird personal example and a material for thought.

Ive tried sustanon, cypionate and enanthate.

I feel good only on sustanon. On cypionate and enanthate I feel like shit. It is not only about test levels and protocols. There is a compounded cream out there that boosts DHT, I guess will feel totally different on that.

Literally one testosterone medication may make you feel like god, another one the same dosage same protocol may make you feel like shit.

Will try that im on 80mg e5d atm, Will stay at this dose for 9 weeks then check labs and Maby lower If i feel its to high of a dose.

Are you back on sustanion now? And feeling good?

Better but not quite awesome yet, havent reached good levels yet

Hows your diet and sleep? Drink much? Or smoke? Sweet tooth?

Using tobacco lips. Dont smoke. Drinks 1-3 times a year. Not much sugar at all. Im not fat. Im kind of good shape. Sleep is okay 7-8 hours a day most of the time.

Sounds like you’re in pretty good shape so, here is the deal with this decade long ordeal. You believe you have tried everything. Except what you havent tried is the next level. Perhaps you need more rather than less. Your pattern of feel good comes from a delayed boost, which means serums levels have been reached. So stack up with a bigger dose and then keep up with it on the daily basis. And add 2.5mg of daily Cialis to your Vitamins. This should help with a ton of background functions while awake and asleep. Your body is craving T. You will notice that you will feel crappy consistently for 6 weeks with ED shots and higher dose, but once you hit the 7-8week, you will feel like a million bucks. If you were once at 200mg/wk you should pump up to 250mg/wk and cruise. The ranges dont apply to you one bit.

Have you tried scrotal cream?
A lot of people swear to it that they feel much better than injections.
I also consider trying it myself. A friend of mine here just got it and says his energy and mood is much better

I have tried dail injections of 15mg and 20mg after a couple weeks i feelt like shit, and i mean realy shit,feelt overstimulated, was so tense and stuck in fight flight and my anexity was thrue the roof when i was around a lot of ppl like my body saw everything like a Potential threat And i didnt like that. Couldent feel calm.
The 2,5mg cialis is there anything else then boners thats its good for?.
Was on 200mg a week in the beggining but it feelt like it increased my e2 to much couldent get boners for like 4-5 days after an injection.

No i havent. But i have tryied gel and didnt like that.
If i dont need to i dont want to mess with a cream or a gel everyday.

The cream is something completely different from the gels

Man that fight or flight or anxiety thing is kinda bad for me right now. I had it a little but the last week it’s ramping up. I’m about 4 weeks into injections 50-55mg every 3.5 days. Hoping it’s just dialing in but maybe too much?