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Tribute to Victims of Communism

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Bush pays tribute as memorial to communism’s victims unveiled by Jitendra Joshi
Tue Jun 12, 6:13 PM ET

US President George W. Bush Tuesday likened the Cold War to today’s struggle against terrorism at the unveiling of a new memorial that mourns the tens of millions killed under communism.

The memorial, a replica of the Tiananmen Square “Goddess of Democracy,” was dedicated 20 years to the day since Bush’s predecessor Ronald Reagan stood at the infamous barrier dividing Berlin and urged Moscow to “tear down this wall.”

“And like the communists, the followers of violent Islamic radicalism are doomed to fail,” said Bush, who has often compared Islamist extremists to Germany’s Nazis or Soviet communists.

“By remaining steadfast in freedom’s cause, we will ensure that a future American president does not have to stand in a place like this and dedicate a memorial to the millions killed by the radicals and extremists of the 21st century,” he said.

The bronze memorial near the US Congress is modeled on the papier-mache statue raised by pro-democracy demonstrators on Beijing’s Tiananmen Square before they were massacred by Chinese troops in June 1989.

Accusing the West of having a “moral blind spot” to communism, backers of the Washington tribute said: “We cannot allow the atrocities of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Castro to fade into the background of history.”

Dissidents from China, Vietnam and Cuba urged global opinion to remember those who still suffer persecution in surviving communist regimes.

Pedro Fuentes, who spent 18 years in Cuba in jail or under house arrest, called communism “the biggest tragedy that has ever happened in the world.”

“We will continue fighting until the last breath,” he told a seminar organized by the conservative Heritage Foundation to mark the memorial’s inauguration.

The Chinese term “laogai,” which describes “reform through labor” camps, should become as commonly known in the West as the Russian word “gulag,” Chinese activist Harry Wu said.

Wu, who spent 19 years in such camps, dismissed Western governments and companies that argue economic engagement with China will transform its one-party rule and human-rights record.

“Saying this is an attempt to convince me to believe that money can change a tiger into a vegetarian,” he told the seminar.

“But I think the money and technology going to China serve as a blood transfusion to a dying communist evil.”

The non-profit Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation was created by the US Congress in 1993 with the aim of emulating memorials to victims of Nazi totalitarian rule.

The foundation’s honorary chairman is President Bush, and its principal officers include conservative luminaries such as historian Lee Edwards and Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist.

“While the horrors of Nazism are well known, who knows that the Soviet Union murdered 20 million people? Who knows that China’s dictators have slaughtered an estimated 60 million?” the foundation said.

Along with World War II and Vietnam War memorials, Washington also has a national Holocaust museum dedicated to the approximately six million Jews killed by Adolf Hitler’s Nazis.

Supporters of the memorial said that many more millions were murdered or starved to death under the brutal persecution of communist leaders like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

“Yet, until now, our nation’s capital had no monument to the victims of imperial communism, an ideology that took the lives of an estimated 100 million innocent men, women and children,” Bush said.

“So it’s fitting that we gather to remember those who perished at communism’s hands, and dedicate this memorial that will enshrine their suffering and sacrifice in the conscience of the world.”

A fine thing.

Communism, along with its twin sister fascism, are the two engines of human misery and slaughter throughout the 20th century. And actually, communism has a higher body count.

A tribute is necessary to the victims of communism - glad to see it.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
A fine thing.

Communism, along with its twin sister fascism, are the two engines of human misery and slaughter throughout the 20th century. And actually, communism has a higher body count.

A tribute is necessary to the victims of communism - glad to see it.[/quote]

Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

How much has he really learned from history?

When people have statues to remember the victims of a mindless ideology will the victims of the war-on-drugs and war-on-terror be remembered?

[quote]orion wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
A fine thing.

Communism, along with its twin sister fascism, are the two engines of human misery and slaughter throughout the 20th century. And actually, communism has a higher body count.

A tribute is necessary to the victims of communism - glad to see it.

Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.
…[/quote]

This is silly. Bush has less power than other war time presidents.

To try to hook him to the evils of communism this way is a waste of time.

The evils of communism stand on their own and should be learned by all.

Anybody thinks we’ll have memorials in tribute to Bush’s victims?

One has to wonder why communism existed in the first place. What was its appeal that made so many follow its path? If millions and millions of people die because of an ideology, we should investigate the roots of the ideology.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
A fine thing.

Communism, along with its twin sister fascism, are the two engines of human misery and slaughter throughout the 20th century. And actually, communism has a higher body count.

A tribute is necessary to the victims of communism - glad to see it.

Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

This is silly. Bush has less power than other war time presidents.

To try to hook him to the evils of communism this way is a waste of time.

The evils of communism stand on their own and should be learned by all.[/quote]

This is true, he is pretty much a lame duck. The only thing he can do is veto now. At this point he is a figure head.

So another year of Bush and then 8 years of Hillary, makes you just wanna eat a bullet doesn’t it?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Anybody thinks we’ll have memorials in tribute to Bush’s victims?[/quote]

Sure when he openly slaughters millions of people because they are a threat to the state, we’ll set one up.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Anybody thinks we’ll have memorials in tribute to Bush’s victims?[/quote]

It would be dwarfed by the monument to the victims of expansionist Islam.

[quote]orion wrote:
Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

How much has he really learned from history?

When people have statues to remember the victims of a mindless ideology will the victims of the war-on-drugs and war-on-terror be remembered?
[/quote]

I know you’re not particularly bright, but seriously: Comparing George Bush supporting legislation that lets the government check your library card with unlimited tyrrany and a body count approaching 100 million executed for political purposes… Did you score a 0/100 on all tests that ask you to use analogies?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
One has to wonder why communism existed in the first place. What was its appeal that made so many follow its path? If millions and millions of people die because of an ideology, we should investigate the roots of the ideology.[/quote]

Jealousy. There are many people that will ruin just to bring everyone down to their level.

[quote]orion wrote:
Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

[/quote]

Bush is becoming more of an afterthought - which is why he tries to show himself in the limelight these days. He’s defunct. His ideas and ideals have shown to be ill-conceived if not completely founded in fantasy. He had the world stage front and center on several occasions, and he let a good many people down. He has no reason to wield his executive powers, and his political clout is nothing but dust.

He embodied the worst in politics - cronyism and impotence. Oh, and no vision. A poor leader, but still the better of the choices we were offered at the time.

Let Bush do his symbolic gestures. It’s all he’ll ever have.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
A fine thing.

Communism, along with its twin sister fascism, are the two engines of human misery and slaughter throughout the 20th century. And actually, communism has a higher body count.

A tribute is necessary to the victims of communism - glad to see it.

Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

This is silly. Bush has less power than other war time presidents.

To try to hook him to the evils of communism this way is a waste of time.

The evils of communism stand on their own and should be learned by all.[/quote]

If the evils of communism stand on their own, nobody can learn from them.

It is the same with the people in my country that think national socialism is so unique that it cannot be compared to anything else.

[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
Maybe, but Bush grabs more and more executive powers in order to fight his waronwhateversoundsgoodatthemoment.

How much has he really learned from history?

When people have statues to remember the victims of a mindless ideology will the victims of the war-on-drugs and war-on-terror be remembered?

I know you’re not particularly bright, but seriously: Comparing George Bush supporting legislation that lets the government check your library card with unlimited tyrrany and a body count approaching 100 million executed for political purposes… Did you score a 0/100 on all tests that ask you to use analogies?[/quote]

One step at a time, one step at a time…

The “Erm?chtigungsgesetze” used in Austria and Germany to build the dictatorship where decades old until someone with the will to really use them came along.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
One has to wonder why communism existed in the first place. What was its appeal that made so many follow its path? If millions and millions of people die because of an ideology, we should investigate the roots of the ideology.

Jealousy. There are many people that will ruin just to bring everyone down to their level. [/quote]

Deep rooted human need to be a part of something bigger than oneself and and ideology that makes life make sense.

Therefore the rise of nationalism and then socialism after the decline of Christianity.

[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
I know you’re not particularly bright…[/quote]

I wonder why you of all people are qualified to judge that, but then, a Gentleman with your devastating wit and debate skills would probably know.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Anybody thinks we’ll have memorials in tribute to Bush’s victims?[/quote]

Do you think any other nation would ever build a tribute to those lost on 9/11? The original WTC bombing? The AF barracks in Saudi Arabia? The naval ship in Yemen?

Marine barracks in Lebanon? Train bombing in Spain? The bombings in the UK? I didn’t think so. Your such a fucking tool it’s not even worth it! You are nothing but a terrorist sympathizer.

[quote]orion wrote:

Deep rooted human need to be a part of something bigger than oneself and and ideology that makes life make sense.

Therefore the rise of nationalism and then socialism after the decline of Christianity.

[/quote]

Orion, I think you make a good point. Bolshevism, while rejecting religion, actually was blind-sided by religious sentiment. And so, communism became a religion and once you have God or some TRANSCENDENT ideal on your side, you can’t be wrong. And so, communism was unable to be self-critical and eventually self-destructed.

However, there are other reasons why socialism has inspired and it is the promise that it will create better working/living conditions for the poor and working class.

Think about all the poor working in the sweat-shops for peanuts to make Nike shoes that sell for 100+ dollars. That in itself is not an argument for or against any economic system…it is just a statement of how things are and why people would aspire to a different world.

Now if we could get him to pay tribute to the victims of American foreign policy.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
One has to wonder why communism existed in the first place. What was its appeal that made so many follow its path? If millions and millions of people die because of an ideology, we should investigate the roots of the ideology.[/quote]

This is a pure guess, but I think it had something to do with poverty and powerlessness. Same reasons that made so many to migrate to america.