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Tribulus without Anti-E supplemets


#1

Is taking tribulus without using an anti-estrogen supplement a zero sum gain? Do any of you swear by any of the anti-estrogen supplements?


#2

You don't have to take an anti-e with tribulus. The best ones like Tribex only bring your T levels up to "high normal" levels, not over and above what is natural.


#3

I am currently taking:

Hot-Rox 2tabs in the AM and 2 tabs in the afternoon

Vitrix 3 tabs AM and 3 tabs afternoon

No Anti-E to speak of.


#4

I have been stacking Tribex with Maca per the CT comments a few weeks ago. Hot dam! I can feel the pump.


#5

You're not in need of any anti-estrogen supplements while using Tribex or any other tribulus based product for that matter. As has already been mentioned, Tribex has the potential to put your T levels in the 'high-normal' range. It is when you start getting into supraphysological levels, that aromatization becomes a concern.


#6

let me hijack this thread just for a moment. i would like to take tribex, red cat and hot rocks but all call for ingestion on an empty stomach. can all three be taken together?


#7

yman, all 3 can be taken together. They're really talking about food. In this case "on an empty stomach" means one hour (or a little less) before a meal or 2 hours after.


#8

AtlantaMatt,
Pardon my lack of knowledge here but do you mean Vitex? And isn't Vitex and Anti-E of sorts. Blocks ER and increases LH? Also, what dosage are you taking? From researching past forum posts by Strasser isn't 400mg per day sufficent?


#9

Thanks for all the replys. I thought Vitex was an anti-E. I really did not get a good answer though. Yes I understand how tribulus works raising T to the high normal range. But this increase really does not boost free T or does it? So my question is: are you just better off taking an anti-E to remove/block estrogen from the body thus raising free T and causing the body to also produce more T because estrogen is being kept in a lower range?


#10

You don't want estrogen too low. Ask any of the guys on the steroid forum who have overdosed their arimidex.

The 'E' ain't all bad, man,
Ryan


#11

hedo, have you ever taken Tribex alone? If you have, can you compare it to having added the maca?

Thanks,
Ryan


#12

Agreed.

Not that any of the OTC anti-estrogens will decrease E levels to the point that things like Arimadex/Aromasin can.


#13

TT, yman:

I didn't think that RedKat and Tribex were supposed to be used at the same time.


#14

Ok, with all that said, why should people spend the extra money on The M then? Is there any other purpose of M besides being an anti estrogen?


#15

American Muscle:

M is a good thing to have (along with some redkat or tribex) after a mag10 cycle (see below). But other than that I wouldn't recommend it, spend the money on tribex or redkat.

Plain and simple guys:

Products like tribex, redkat, and others only SUPPORT endogenous t levels so no need to worry bout estrogen.

BUT

If you throw pro hormones like mag10 into the mix which work through EXogenous t then it's a good idea to use M or other anti-estrogen post cycle along with Tribex or other supp to help balance everything back out.

If you're just using Tribex then don't worry.


#16

Ryan, for me a noticeable difference. I always used tribex alone. 5 days on 2 off. I saw a posting by Christian T and he mentioned stacking Tribex and MACA. Might have even suggested some RedKat also. I got a good pump from the tribex and the Maca really added something from a strength and nuscle hardness perspective. Using a product that is 325mg. Maca, 250 horny goat weed and 325 of yohimbine. Could not find straight Maca.

sorry for the highjack...fyi when I added vitex to my mix I did not notice any effect at all.


#17

One quick question: anyone know if you are supposed to cycle off Tribex after you've finished a bottle? Or is it enough that you cycle 5 days on/ 2 days off?


#18

You can take the Tribex for up to 12 weeks if you are doing the five days on and two days off cycle.


#19

Fishdog:

5 days on/ 2 days off IS the cycling protocol. No need to take a larger break after doing this protocol for a certain time period. Also, it really isn't known if 5 days on/2 off is even neccessary. Its a good practice to allow someone to use tribex continuously without any possible problems occurring from taking it daily, but its only a suggestion. There was a post made a good while back, from Shugart himself I believe, which stated that the cycling protocol was just a suggestion; they don't really KNOW if its neccessary or not.


#20

American Muscle:

I've yet to see any recommendations for a 12 week limit to taking Tribex 5 days on / 2 days off.

I also remember seeing some articles where it mentions you could theoretically take it all the time. I believe TC does this.

Maybe I'm missing something?