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Tribulus and Herbal Test Boosters to Help T and Estradiol?

first time post.
I have been working with a provider to get my testosterone and estradial under control.
none of the tribulus or herbal products work to convert free T to DHT and at the same time control Estradial. (after using the products for 4 weeks or more i have lab work done to get the results)

The only over the counter item that have worked thus far is DAA / DIM.

We have checked my genetic profile and i do not have any mutations on the 5 Alpha reductase gene.
my provider and nutritionist are stumped.

I thought I would ask this forum if anyone had any similar experiences or suggestions as to why?

thank you

Please post all lab work with ranges. Not just hormones.

“Herbals” are often ineffective and a waste of time+labs+$$$

Serum E2 levels are a balance of E2 production [T–>E2] and E2 clearance, mostly in the liver. Aromatase drives T–>E2. Liver clearance can be reduced by liver problems and/or certain meds/substances that compete with the enzyme pathways that clear estrogens.

We need a lot more info about you.

Please read the stickies found here: About the T Replacement Category

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Evaluate your overall thyroid function by checking oral body temperatures as per the thyroid basics sticky. Thyroid hormone fT3 is what gets the job done and it regulates mitochondrial activity, the source of ATP which is the universal currency of cellular energy. This is part of the body’s temperature control loop. This can get messed up if you are iodine deficient. In many countries, you need to be using iodized salt. Other countries add iodine to dairy or bread.

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I can be a bit abrupt in my replies and recommendations. I have a lot of ground to cover as this forum has become much more active in the last two years. I can’t follow threads that go deep over time. You need to respond to all of my points and requests as soon as possible before you fall off of my radar. The worse problems are guys who ignore issues re thyroid, body temperatures, history of iodized salt. Please do not piss people off saying that lab results are normal, we need lab number and ranges. a

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thank you for the reply, let me provide additional data.
49 y/o been lifting for 30 + years, 6’ 2" 250. could loose 15 lbs .

Genetically i have issues with SOD Catalayse, Acat and clearing ammonia. - I am taking supplements to address these.

for T boost etc i have been taking the following with the blood work results

Product DHT total free t estradial feel
Functional male 6 31 , 520 75.5 22 blah
Dim / Daa 5 ea 26 468 52.6 26 ok
Dim / Daa 7 ea 46 489 45.2 18 great
Tomkat 8 20 490 79.1 42 blah
super miraforte 4 34 403 74.5 41 blah
MHP tbom 6 44 426 60.1 22 pretty good
Functional M + pituitary support 29 375 44.2 21 blah
Daa / Dim 6 ea + DHEA 50mg results TBD

I must admit my libido was good on the functional male but my energy focus etc were horrible.

I am taking additional supplements in addition to the above. under the guidance of my provider and nutritionist. i can provide this info as well.

any feedback or additional testing suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


sorry the data is not formatted. when i entered it i had a nice table.

regarding thyroid support i take iodoral (iodine) daily 12.5 mg