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I am interested in Trenbolone Acetate but i want to check a few things…

First, just how bad is the aggression to deal with, if one is prone to that sort of behaviour (imagine posh english country gentleman’s voice).

And with moderate dosages of test say,500-750 or so mgs a week, what is the likely-hood of progestrogenic gyno (as long as estrogenic problems are controlled with AI and nolva on hand) - for a sensitive young man such as myself.

Would a SERM be effective against progestrogenic issues? As it is attached to the receptors in the breast tissue isn’t it? Or are they simply different receptors altogether in that area?

If the above is a problem would the dose of the Tren affect the sides (duh!), but if so, what are the lower, effective doses when run with test, for acetate. Also, on the other hand, what are the highest dosages you would recommend with tren run with test before gyno would become an issue - or aggression is intensified (if it is at all).

Ta.

Joe

The aggression is not tough to deal with, at least for myself. I am normally mild mannered and able to control outbursts and anger. I would be lying if I said that tren did not increase aggression so if you are unable to control your aggression before tren then you probably will have issues with it while on.

I believe that prolactin is the main culprit behind tren gyno. To treat this caber or bromo would be required. Not all people will get it and everyones tolerance will be different. I would advise to have one of the previously mentioned drugs on hand just in case.

I believe a starting point for a first time user would be 50mg/ed. Be sure to inject every day as this will lesson the chances of sides.

Thanks! but is it that simple, i mean is prolactin actually a threat if estrogen is controlled? I have a feeling there is more to this…

i can control my aggression, its just obvious that is what i am doing when i am doing it!!

Thanks for your help!

Joe

I’m on day 21 of a 8 week 50mg/ED Tren A and Test P cycle. I have had no issues at all, it just boils down to an individuals self-control.

-tw1st

[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
Thanks! but is it that simple, i mean is prolactin actually a threat if estrogen is controlled? I have a feeling there is more to this…

i can control my aggression, its just obvious that is what i am doing when i am doing it!!

Thanks for your help!

Joe[/quote]

I am sure there is much more to it than I can accurately articulate. But in short it is possible to have gyno issues while on tren even if estrogen is under control.

[quote]tw1st wrote:
I’m on day 21 of a 8 week 50mg/ED Tren A and Test P cycle. I have had no issues at all, it just boils down to an individuals self-control.

-tw1st[/quote]

Cool - thanks mate, and what are your gains like so far?

Also, is it true Tren gives a fever?

Joe

[quote]2thepain wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
Thanks! but is it that simple, i mean is prolactin actually a threat if estrogen is controlled? I have a feeling there is more to this…

i can control my aggression, its just obvious that is what i am doing when i am doing it!!

Thanks for your help!

Joe

I am sure there is much more to it than I can accurately articulate. But in short it is possible to have gyno issues while on tren even if estrogen is under control.[/quote]

OK - nice one. Plus i hear caber is a nice drug to take prolactin issues or not, increased libido, well - being, safe for long term use and many other positive effects. It is cheap too considering 2.5mgs lasts a week. thats over three 8 week cycles for 30x2.5mgs (the amounts i can get it in without much seeking).

Joe

There is another post currently up discussing Cabergoline and I have posted there, so I won’t repeat here…

For me, Tren sides were greatly exagerated.

I started at 50mg/ed of homebrewed TrenA (from cow pellets)…after 2 wks, sides weren’t bad so I bumped it to 75 mg/ed…6 wks in, still not bad and 2 wks left to go, I am bumping to 100mg/ed…so far, so good. Running w/ equal amounts of TestP. Pinning ed is not as bad as I feared and am actually getting to like it (I’m sick I guess…)

Running Cabegoline at .5 e3d, except on weekends when do a whole tablet to enjoy the sexual side effects. Caber not only helps prevent prolactin induced gyno, but by modulating dopamine levels, has helped with moodiness.

Have gone from 192# to 212# in 6 wks…fairly solid…BF dropped maybe 1-2%…I am not as vascular as I had hoped to be, but then again, I don’t eat that strict, so that is to be expected. (High amts of test are also giving e a bit of a softer look than I prefer, but I like other test effects, esp libido, so I will keep it up there until done with Tren portion of cycle)

Strength gains are phenomenal…at least for me…bench press has gone from 225 -> 265 in that same time (no hate! - I am 52 years old and ex marathon runner, so was not that strong to begin with - been stalled @ 225 for almost 20 yrs) …all other lifts have gone up by equal %.

…in fact, that seems to be the most troublesome side…my strength has increased WAY faster than my tendons can handle and elbows/knees are really tore up, but I can’t seem to exercise enough self-control to back it off a notch. It is just too much fun to go in, load up what looks like a good double, and then easily knock out 5…

and then do it again with even more weight a week later. I don’t have that many good years lifting left in me, so what the fuck!?!?

Good luck

I don’t blame you! I may just have to give 50mgED a go and go from there, (strength IS a fucking buzz) i’ve done that with other compounds in the past when testing the waters.

How much is Caber then? Cause the shit i saw was $70 for 30ml liquid, but i have heard that is bollocks on the other thread, so tabs are needed… i’ll google it as well… :wink:

Thanks for the insight testolius!

Joe

Nice post, testolius. This is the kind of stuff I like to read about. So far for me the tren sides have been blown out of proportion as well. I think it’s the nature of these forums. A few guys get bad sides, then every other schmuck who’s never tried that particular compound is parroting the same thing. I’m guilty of it, too, I must admit.

[quote]testolius wrote:
There is another post currently up discussing Cabergoline and I have posted there, so I won’t repeat here…

For me, Tren sides were greatly exagerated.

I started at 50mg/ed of homebrewed TrenA (from cow pellets)…after 2 wks, sides weren’t bad so I bumped it to 75 mg/ed…6 wks in, still not bad and 2 wks left to go, I am bumping to 100mg/ed…so far, so good. Running w/ equal amounts of TestP. Pinning ed is not as bad as I feared and am actually getting to like it (I’m sick I guess…)

Running Cabegoline at .5 e3d, except on weekends when do a whole tablet to enjoy the sexual side effects. Caber not only helps prevent prolactin induced gyno, but by modulating dopamine levels, has helped with moodiness.

Have gone from 192# to 212# in 6 wks…fairly solid…BF dropped maybe 1-2%…I am not as vascular as I had hoped to be, but then again, I don’t eat that strict, so that is to be expected. (High amts of test are also giving e a bit of a softer look than I prefer, but I like other test effects, esp libido, so I will keep it up there until done with Tren portion of cycle)

Strength gains are phenomenal…at least for me…bench press has gone from 225 -> 265 in that same time (no hate! - I am 52 years old and ex marathon runner, so was not that strong to begin with - been stalled @ 225 for almost 20 yrs) …all other lifts have gone up by equal %.

…in fact, that seems to be the most troublesome side…my strength has increased WAY faster than my tendons can handle and elbows/knees are really tore up, but I can’t seem to exercise enough self-control to back it off a notch. It is just too much fun to go in, load up what looks like a good double, and then easily knock out 5…

and then do it again with even more weight a week later. I don’t have that many good years lifting left in me, so what the fuck!?!?

Good luck
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“A few guys get bad sides, then every other schmuck who’s never tried that particular compound is parroting the same thing.”

Well the same dude can get different sides with the same stuff on different cycles!

My 1st time with Tren, I had this deep, smouldering aggression, like my lizard brain was coming in full mode. Very weird. I didnt have nightsweats or insomnia, in fact I slept a lot less but felt totally great and refreshed in the morning, which is not my strong point.

Second time, no aggression really, and did get night sweats after the 3rd week that lasted a week after I was done. Didnt feel as great in the morning as the 1st time. Totally different except for the gains: amazing! Oh and the raisin balls… I thought that was a myth… it’s real with Tren all right.

BTW great post Testolius. I hope I’m still training hard at 52+.

As for the OP, 750mg is not that “moderate dosages of test”. You’re in gyno danger territory for sure, on the Test amount alone.

[quote]SwD wrote:
“A few guys get bad sides, then every other schmuck who’s never tried that particular compound is parroting the same thing.”

Well the same dude can get different sides with the same stuff on different cycles!

My 1st time with Tren, I had this deep, smouldering aggression, like my lizard brain was coming in full mode. Very weird. I didnt have nightsweats or insomnia, in fact I slept a lot less but felt totally great and refreshed in the morning, which is not my strong point.

Second time, no aggression really, and did get night sweats after the 3rd week that lasted a week after I was done. Didnt feel as great in the morning as the 1st time. Totally different except for the gains: amazing! Oh and the raisin balls… I thought that was a myth… it’s real with Tren all right.

BTW great post Testolius. I hope I’m still training hard at 52+.

As for the OP, 750mg is not that “moderate dosages of test”. You’re in gyno danger territory for sure, on the Test amount alone.

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Well, thanks for the advice… on another note, i always thought i was sensitive to gyno… let me explain.

First 3 cycles were Dbol, and nothing at all… no anti-estrogen either.
Then i tried erm… i think sust. 250mg a week. Got to second week, went out on lash (alcohol, in large amounts into early morning) and when i went to bed a day later, i saw a puffy nipple, well i panicked. i could hardly sleep - this was about 6 years ago now.
I stopped the sust and started nolvadex. All was fine, except a small fibrous lump of mammary under my nipple, that was barely noticeable, but noticeable when the nipple was soft.

Then i had some tribulus about a month later, and it flared up!! i was convinced in a year i’d have a nice set of titties!
So from then i had thought i was “sensitive” so avoided test like the plague. Just using nandrolone, winstrol and proviron.

The nandrolone at higher dosages, say 400mg+ makes it a LITLE swollen, but goes after discontinuation of the drug… so all this supported my suspicions.

Then i thought fuck it, there are some really good, affordable AI’s now so lets try Pure test. I got this Cyp. I front loaded with 750mg and 250mg 2x a week. A little letrozole, i mean a little - only 0.25 - 0.5mg a day… and it is fine, it is more flared up at night, but in the morning it is fine - which suggests to me that (due to past experience with how my body acts) after cycle it will go right down.

I mainly thought i was sensitive due to the fact it flared up during, not after cycle… but i think it’s just the way i work. I have guessed i may have strong aromatizing activity, and i think i must “normalize” my hormone levels quickly after use.
I now don’t consider myself particular sensitive, just normal - not immune like some are to gyno, but normal. I really am not sensitive to estrogenic fat storage as far as i know, nor acne. I am to DHT male pattern, but i will have to shave my head in a few years anyway as i am one of the un-lucky ones receding in the late 20’s.
I will keep being careful and using my AI’s obviously, but what do you all you think? would you consider this Sensitive in comparison to your experiences? For the record i have used ASS maybe… 10(?) times i think… 9-11 for definate. A bit off topic i know… but it kinda came up!

Joe