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^ Thank you for the in depth and well thought out post. I have been on meds for a very long time and am terrified of going off of them, They have been of great help when I was in my most darkest days. I am very leary of meds as well however I feel they are a necessary evil as it was in my case. I’m at the point of being on them so long that I don’t even know if I have side effects or not lol. In my case the main issue of trying to get off the meds is I become uber - sensitive to my feelings, constantly checking to see if I am going through some sort of withdrawal or relapse. I am going to purchase both “Calm your Nerves” and “Stop your Obsessing.”
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Great man glad to hear! You sound just like me too!! I weened off those drugs for a total of 12 months and the lower it got the more paranoid and compulsive I became, as well as dealing with hyper sensitive nerves, exhausted mind, and onslaught of constant panic attacks, though the hardest to deal with was dissociation or Dp/DR lol… I was on them for 5 years, and a low dose of an SSRI when I was younger… What happened to you as you weened to me sounds like you got right back into those obsessive and constant dwelling patterns… I had absurd ridicolous fears in my head playing like a broken record for months on end, as well as recurring nightmares when it was at the worst… I was hit with every nook and cranny of anxiety and its symptoms, You’re depression was probably also similiar to mine, where I felt a crippling blow to my life and everything went black, Needless to say I needed to go through what I went through to learn true wisdom, I don’'t regret a single minute of it.
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So you took meds to help change chemical imbalances in your brain, and it made you feel better. BUT depression and mental illness is still not a result of said chemical imbalances…riiiiight[/quote]
No I used ssri drugs, anti convulsonts, and tranquilizers prescribed to a doctor that did nothing but leave me feeling so utterly numb I could not feel a single thing let alone feel fear… I still had pretty severe panic attacks while on those drugs and the habits were still very there though… It did nothing to help I still had anxiety even on the medication… don’t let anyone fool you into saying you have a mental illness thats not right man… I was on ALOT of drugs and still had serious mental challenges that was over a year ago I am no longer on drugs and I have not one single mental challenge left… I fully recovered, not from a disease of mental illness but a disease of raw habit and obsession… I had to recover from withdrawals for a while after the symptoms were gone which was another challenge to deal with left over from previous medication use… [/quote]
That’s really great.
But 8 years of working in MH and half a decade of life tells me that you are an extreme exception.
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If you guys are very inclined to see more of what I am talking about there is a chapter made in the book “When Panic Attacks” by Dr David Burns called Placebo nation… It talks about the myths and misunderstandings behind all these different exagerrated moods and why they are not actually disorders per say… Look I never said its not real, the symptoms of anxiety and depression are very, very real… That is true, but that doesn’t mean that there is something wrong with you’re brain thats beyond repair or damage done no matter HOW long you have suffered… I am not saying this as my own thoughts this is well researched and documented sources from PROFESSIONAL people… Saying I am some sort of extreme exception also implies that for some there is no hope… That is simply not true, I had the most extreme case of dealing with it and I also had the expirence of using medication and not, I am someone that went the meds route and didn’t see results because behavioral habits were never changed I was never given proper knowledge about why I was stuck in a vicious cycle… The reason I got better is because I became extremely well educated on the subject and understood exactly what was going on that kept everything together, I also learned exactly what to do to break the cycle… I became a master on the subject and studied and learned as much as possible so that I would have nothing left to say I did not try… Depression and Anxiety although two different emotions are the same basis for habit, usually you don’t have one without the other either… If anxiety is not an illness that doesn’t mean that depression is… I learned about depression too it just did not apply to me as much because it was not the main issue with myself… They are both just functions that take over though, both a bit different but the central basis exactly the same… You don’t need meds to control stuff like this, why defend something you don’t even entirely believe in anyways, I speak from a certain place and it seems people are quick to defend the multi billion dollar making corporations that will do everything and anything to make damn sure they don’t lose money… You already said yourself you don’t know the meds work… They keep bouncing you around different medications and its all hit or miss right? There is no miracle cure or pill , the only place recovery happens is from within your self not a damn place else… I don’t care what anyone says to disagree here but I have never respected someones opinion on a topic they have never been through themselves and came out fully recovered… I also know this is going to sound very crass but I also actually know truly more on the topic of this stuff then most “medical professionals” as well… You can say what you want or get angry or upset or tell me I am wrong, However you introduce yourself to me in person and tell me exactly whats going on and I can pretty much gurantee I know what to do to help that person get full recovery themselves, Have helped many others overcome their stuff as well besides myself… its not that complicated… It is a simple process to get better but the facts are it takes TIME, and EFFORT, but very far from impossible…
I kind of like this quote when referring to the whole medicine debate
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Its not that I believe that the mental health field does these things on purpose or anything… Most doctors are very convinced about the the theory of chemical imbalance and medication because that is what they are taught when they are going through school… I am only saying it is an old theory that served its purpose and no longer needs to be here and should be let go… I am only stating that there is another way, A way to full recovery without the use of medication… It takes alot of work but it is very, very possible… On another note as far as other mental challenges such as bipolar disorder, schizo, etc… I have no knowledge about those topics so I will not state anything on it… Everything I learned and dealt with had to do with anxiety and depression and their collective by products, as well as addiction, but that is all.
I could also go on to describe about separation, awakening, and enlightenment and how it all plays a role, though this is not the time nor place and can get to be a very touchy topic for some which doesn’t make sense… Lol the whole defensive nature of politics and religion and taking sides of belief structure is also kind of collective insanity but not the time nor place…