[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
I’m posting this to see what techniques you guys have used to get across to beginners and explain to them that starting out like this is only going to limit them big-time in the long run? How can I show this dude that he can still work hard and feel like he’s worked hard without fucking himself up and teaching his body how to fail and have bad form? [/quote]
You can only do so much. I’m not going to tell you to spot him any less so that he feels just how much you’re helping finish the sets, because he’ll probably just bitch at you for “being a bad spotter.”
Here’s what I’d do, probably, maybe, possibly. Adapt the program. If you know this dude is dead-set on training to failure and then grinding out more, and you it’s not going to be worth the effort trying to reprogram his mentality, then give him a program that incorporates training to muscular failure.
We all, pretty much, now agree that keeping a rep or two in the hole is best for size and strength, but hitting muscular failure was popular (and still is, with some guys) for a good decade or three. If dude wants to hit failure, then have him hitting one or two bodyparts per session, 2-4 exercises for 2-3x8-12 each. Stereotypical bodybuilding stuff, “hitting the muscle from different angles” and whatnot. He’s gonna complain about being sore, so make sure he buys the two of you lunch right after lifting.
It’s going to be a little more hassle if you guys want to still lift together, but that’s the first way that comes to mind to kinda circumvent the situation. Is it ideal? No, not really. But it’s better than him getting burned out from lifting dumb. Explain that the strongest powerlifters rarely hit failure, and if bodybuilders do train to failure, it’s in a higher rep range, not hitting failure for sets of 3-5.
That’s definitely cool, but as a heads up, training friends/relatives is a little different than training paying clients. I think the familiarity influences their psychology on some level, and they tend not to see you as professional since they know you’re the same schmuck who wet his pants on picture day in third grade.
In general though, there are two main methods when dealing with difficult and/or argumentative clients. Either pull a Dr. Phil and ask them “And how’s that working out for ya?” This works well when they’re hesitant to change whatever they’ve been doing (training, nutrition, whatever). Having them reflect on themselves and actually think about what they’ve been doing is shockingly simple. (Note, this is also why I’m a fan of the classic ‘what exactly did you eat yesterday?’)
Second method is to simple overwhelm them with evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) that supports your position. Female client fears weight training will make her bulky? There are dozens and dozens of Crossfit women, female Olympic lifters, and female powerlifters to say otherwise. Obese 250-pound client thinks 150 grams of protein is “dangerous and unnecessary”? Well, Mr. client man, tell me exactly what you ate yesterday and then let’s talk about “dangerous and unnecessary.”
Hopefully, CC will have some awesome words of wisdom. Didn’t he write an article specifically about training young guys (dumbass mindset and all) not too long ago?[/quote]
Ha, thanks, man. Yeah, I put this together for younger (particularly teenage) beginners.
Whether it’s appropriate for this dude, or if he’ll listen, who knows.[/quote]
Good call on tweaking the program a little to get the point across by making him stupid sore without hurting him, I dig it.
I’m guessing I’ll have to use both of the methods you suggested to get the point across best. I’m thinking the first you mentioned will be fairly powerful here though.
Some awesome stuff for sure and I will put it to use, good point with training friends as well.
Thanks for chiming in Chris, I was really hoping to hear from you on this one. Will definitely be checking out that article as well.