Where does it say the girl ACTUALLY set up the scumbag? I see where it says:
Mr Latham said: "Thomas believed Mary-Ann had set him up for that robbery. During their ordeal, the girls were asked by those there if they had stolen their drugs
but I don’t see where it says she did it.
Oh, I never claimed that she did set them up, I merely noticed that sentence in the article and thought to myself, if she herself did something illegal, should she be prosecuted as well?
This question, as well as in whose interest does it serve, is certainly an interesting one but it’s really off-topic.
Law is always interesting to debate.
For example, if the purpose of taking someone to trial is the interest of society because it punishes the culprit, and either by throwing him/her in jail or scaring them with that prospect makes the world safer, then you could argue that there is no need to take this girl to trial, because she has suffered enough and is sure not to deal with the “scum of the Earth” anymore and break the law. Then again, maybe it won’t.
If the purpose of taking someone to trial is merely to take them to trial because the law says they did something bad, well then, that’s another issue.
I tend to side with the former idea, but the problem arises when you ask yourself, will she truly stop breaking the law and dealing with scumbags anymore.
Frankly, I think she’s in a mindstate at the moment that sadly will inhibit whatever she wants to do for the rest of her life. Believe me, I feel nothing but compassion for this chick.
Its just been reported today that some of these guys were on probation and had previous convictions for violent crime. A few years ago 2 of them hung a kid with learning difficulties from a tree and beat him near to death. Our government is still releasing rapists and murderers early mainly due to overcrowded prisons and politicaly correct pressure to go easy on ethnic minority criminals (the 6 convicted in this case were black)
All murderers and rapists should get a bullet in the head.
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
politicaly correct pressure to go easy on ethnic minority criminals (the 6 convicted in this case were black)
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This was a joke, right? Because there are TONS of black people committing horrific crimes and getting only community service? What the fuck are you smoking and shouldn’t you be arrested for it?
First to correct myself, 5 were black, 1 was Kosovan.
Prof X : in this country criminals are often let off lightly, in the case of minority criminals the need to be seen as politicaly correct and non-racist IS a factor. I did not say that white criminals are or should be treated differently, nor did I say that tons of black criminals get lenient sentences.
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
Its just been reported today that some of these guys were on probation and had previous convictions for violent crime. A few years ago 2 of them hung a kid with learning difficulties from a tree and beat him near to death. Our government is still releasing rapists and murderers early mainly due to overcrowded prisons and politicaly correct pressure to go easy on ethnic minority criminals (the 6 convicted in this case were black)
All murderers and rapists should get a bullet in the head.[/quote]
In my opinion, the person who signed the release of these two should be tried right along with them. This would be similar to me letting my 90 lb pitbull who has already bitten 3 kids loose in a park full of 6 year olds. There has to be some sort of backlash on this or people will continue to misuse thier authority.
V
Maybe in prison some soccer hooligans will make play toys out of these guys… for many cruel years.
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
First to correct myself, 5 were black, 1 was Kosovan.
Prof X : in this country criminals are often let off lightly, in the case of minority criminals the need to be seen as politicaly correct and non-racist IS a factor. I did not say that white criminals are or should be treated differently, nor did I say that tons of black criminals get lenient sentences.[/quote]
No, but you did give the impression that race was a major factor when courts pass sentences (you only mentioned two factors - overcrowded prisons and lenient sentences for minorities).
I don’t expect you to give an exhaustive account of the sentencing system, but race is a sensitive issue and a rather casual approach to it is going to excite some passions.
Sentencing in the UK takes into a multitude of factors, perhaps more than other jurisdictions. Many of these factors are left to be IMPLIED from the conduct of the court. It does appear that a person’s race MAY have some sway over the sentence they recieve, and in this sense MAY a factor taken into account by the court when passing a sentence.
Even to say there is a strong possibility that a black or other ethnic minority person will be sentenced differently to a caucasian person would be overstepping the mark. In some cases (don’t know about this one) race does APPEAR to be a factor.
The problem is that noone is sure whether race matters to the court when sentencing, and if it does, when it matters and just what affect it has on the sentencing!
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
First to correct myself, 5 were black, 1 was Kosovan.
Prof X : in this country criminals are often let off lightly, in the case of minority criminals the need to be seen as politicaly correct and non-racist IS a factor. I did not say that white criminals are or should be treated differently, nor did I say that tons of black criminals get lenient sentences.[/quote]
I want you to prove that blacks are getting more lenient sentences than whites in the same crimes across the board. The history has been quite the opposite, especially when the case relied on the judgement of a jury.
[quote]ryman wrote:
No, but you did give the impression that race was a major factor when courts pass sentences (you only mentioned two factors - overcrowded prisons and lenient sentences for minorities).[/quote]
OK true there are many other factors
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I don’t expect you to give an exhaustive account of the sentencing system, but race is a sensitive issue and a rather casual approach to it is going to excite some passions. [/quote]
Yeah I was a bit casual but I get bored of having to say before any conversation regarding race “Im not a racist, Ive got friends of many different races blah blah blah…” so I just speak my mind, if people think Im being racist thats their problem.
[quote]
Sentencing in the UK takes into a multitude of factors, perhaps more than other jurisdictions. Many of these factors are left to be IMPLIED from the conduct of the court. It does appear that a person’s race MAY have some sway over the sentence they recieve, and in this sense MAY a factor taken into account by the court when passing a sentence. [/quote]
So youre saying race is a factor…
Now it only appears to be…
Youve hit the nail on the head there. There are courts all over the country, some regions are way more racist than others. We will never know the motivations of judges and juries, we can only pick out overall trends.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
comedypedro wrote:
First to correct myself, 5 were black, 1 was Kosovan.
Prof X : in this country criminals are often let off lightly, in the case of minority criminals the need to be seen as politicaly correct and non-racist IS a factor. I did not say that white criminals are or should be treated differently, nor did I say that tons of black criminals get lenient sentences.
I want you to prove that blacks are getting more lenient sentences than whites in the same crimes across the board. [/quote]
I cant.
They dont.
I never said they did.
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The history has been quite the opposite, especially when the case relied on the judgement of a jury.[/quote]
Thats true.
I’ll admit I was a little too casual in my post but people shouldnt infer things from it. What I meant was that criminals (of all races) often get lenient sentences in the UK. IF the criminal is a minority the excuse given is often “good race relations” and if the criminal is white then they have to come up with some other excuse. OK I should have been more clear but if everyone is equal (which obviously they are and the majority of people know this) then why do we have to tiptoe around the issue? Like I said above I get bored of prefixing any mildly contentious race related issue with “Im not a racist…”
Question for you X : Have you ever been to Britain?
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
Question for you X : Have you ever been to Britain?[/quote]
No. I have been a few places, but that is one I haven’t been to. I know little about the culture aside from what I see on tv.